Iran vows to avenge Scientist's assasination

Pff... everybody can make a picture. Doesn't make it so that it has to do with ethnic cleansing.
Take Algeria...

The French gave the Jews a French citizenship, making them 1st class citizens in apartheid state Algeria for over 100 years. Those Jews with their fellow French citizens than started to violently to oppress the Arabs in a genocidal way, when the Arabs wanted to be autominous. They lost the war, and so all the French citizens went back to France where they belong. Can't be having genocidal illegals living within your border. But here you are spinning this upside down. Pathetic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crémieux_Decree

Got an over the top pro Israeli source saying it's 73%. Obviously the real % is much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

A report from the military intelligence SHAI of the Haganah titled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948", dated 30 June 1948, affirms that:

At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases...

 

The Pilgrim fathers fled from the UK to the Netherlands to the US. They fled from the Vikings in the UK before. They too were on the run ever since the migration period. Biggest ethnic groups that got splashed across the world are the Indian, followed by the Mexicans, followed by the Chinese. Nobody gives a damn.

Plenty of ethnic groups went totally extinct. Nobody gives a damn.

 

No-one ethnic group compares with the Jewish experience. Something like 100 or 120
countries drove their Jews out over 2,000 years. You can get some indigenous group
claim they were driven off their land or massacred - happened hundreds of times to Jews.
And it's been my prediction for 40 odd years that we will see the same persecutions again,
and it's here now.
Not sure why the Iranians simply didn't make peace with Israel from the get go. It would have
been a big boon to them. Besides, Iranians are not Arabs, and they are generally not Sunnis
either. And in their war with Israel they seem to be losing - Iran seems heavily infiltrated with
pro-Israeli groups, their forces in Syria get a hiding every day and Sunni Arabs are starting to
make peace with Israel out of fear of Iran.

 

I have studied the Palestinian wall of lies propaganda, They actualy fled because Arab leaders told them to leave the area while they butcher the Jews, and after
their return they will have all of the Jews property.

 

Ironic that the Jews were never driven from Palestine is it not? Yet many claim a right of return, why?

 

You have studied squat - Israel has been stealing land from the beginning of this conflict - and this continues to present day.

There is propaganda on both sides of this blood feud - as would be expected - but by far the biggest propaganda artists in this battle is Israel .. not even remotely comparable to that of the Palestinians.

 

You mean... you put up a list of countries where they got ethnically cleansed. And I debunked the first country on that list with a source. You're not replying to that because half what you're saying is just unfounded nonsense. While I also put up how present day English people living in the US got persecuted all over for 1000's of years... also no reply to that. Pathettic.

Iran doesn't make peace with Israel because of the Jews in Israel, but because the government got an active war criminal policy to thieve land outside Israel to colonize for the past decades. While Israel refuses the right to return, when a non Jew applies to it. objectively, it makes perfect sense. It's also not as if you're not aware of this. You're just ignoring everything that doesn't fit your agenda,... AGAIN. And FYI there are loads of Jews living still in Iran despite the fact that Jews tried to bribe the Iranians Jews to leave it in order to claim yet an other country "ethnically cleansed" the Jews. Typical.

 

Winning a war is Not stealing land.
Especially if those who lost ( the Arabs ) started it !
B.T.W Arab Bedouins illegaly stealing and taking control of the Israeli Negev is a fact.

 

I was not referring to a war - you are confused.

Israel exists due to an agreement made - and has borders which are outlined in this agreement. Israel has been stealing land from people outside those borders - and doing so for decades - in violation of its agreement - as per its arbitrator and administrator ... the UN.

Some unsupported claim w/r to Bedouins has no relevance to this issue.

 

Five or six huh? I personally know refugees from Iraq (Christians) who were told to leave
Iraq or die. A boy came to their house and knocked on the door with that message from
'some men.' Same with Kurds. Happened with Jews after 1948, 150k of them - this is going
to the United Nations so I think someone has done their homework on this.

 

Yes, they were - at least twice. First was the Babylonians and then the Romans.
Most Jews outside of Israel today are the descendants of those driven out of
Israel in the First and Second Centuries.
Had these people been able to live in their new host nations peacefully then we
wouldn't have the issues we have today. As it was the Jews faced persecutions,
pogroms, crusades, genocides and final solutions.

 

Not only that - but many Arabs suffered persecution from Arab militias. A lot of this
persecution wasn't even related to the conflict but to corruption.

 

While it is true that some of the arab countries were pushing the Palestinians back into Palestine the stuff about Jews has nothing that can be affiliated to it. According to Benny Morris having looked at the archives, the vast amount of massacres were done by the Zionists and there were only two were done by the arabs and one of them was a tit for tat. I cant remember the number for the Zionists but it was big.

 

Palestinians were murdered by militias for disobeying orders to vacate their properties.
Some Palestinians were listening to Jewish appeals for them to stay. It was politically
damaging for Jews to have Arabs vacate villages - it was politically good for Palestinians
to point to Arabs leaving: they thought to pressure Israel this way, but it didn't turn out
like that.
About 2.5 million Arabs live in Israel today. They are doing fine. Just this year a plebiscite
showed these Arabs don't want to come under West Bank control.
There IS 'right of return' despite what many say - but the condition is that the Palestinians
must accept Israel's right to exist permanently. Everyone knows they won't do this because
its not about rights, or borders - it's about land, all of it.

 

The Jews were ordered to kill all male civilians in Haifa and burn down everything that's Arab. It got blasted over speakers, and so the Arabs fled. The army systematically destroyed the civilian houses after the Arabs fled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haifa_(1948)

And that's how it normally went.
Jews bulldozerred flat 100's of cities and town where the Arab civilians ones lived.
You know the list.


And there is no right to return for Israeli Arabs, since they are Arab. It's a racist Israeli apartheid law. The Israeli Jews never ever opted that the Arabs they ethnically cleansed may all return. At best it was a couple of 1000, but nowhere close to what they did. And the demand is that Palestinians must acknowledge the right for Israel to be a Jew state. It's not about a right to exist. That's a Jewish hoax. And while the Jews demand they get fully reimbursed over WWII and get all their properties back in courts, they refuse to pay up to the Arab civilians and undo their own wrongs against them to even give them access to their own country. They even refuse to acknowledge Palestina in order to thieve it's lands to add to Israel, their self proclaimed nation state for Jews only.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People

 

Yes there IS right of return. It's denied because the Arabs consider the terms offensive.
And the Jews know the Palestinians won't accept these terms - so it's a moot point, but
technically valid.
I can think of no other peoples in the world having 'right of return', try that with old German
states, or Ukraine or any of the hundreds of borders and dispossessed peoples. Do Jews
have right of return to Portugal after 1492 and 1496? (including my own family) Oh wait...
Portugal actually has given Jews the right of return, with citizenship - but they aren't getting
their properties back - so there is at least one example in the whole world.
And I accept the argument that Jews have Right of Return to Israel because it was their
land, and no nation has accepted them as refugees for more than a few centuries.

ps Haifa was allocated to the Jewish state by the UN. It was bitterly fought over because of
its strategic situation. And this was a war the Arabs started, and with the intention of killing
all the Jews. If you are concerned about Haifa then take the time to be concerned for ALL
dispossessed peoples - don't single Jews out.

 

There is no such thing for Israeli Arabs. Period.

The term Arab civilians must agree is that +95% of the Arab civilians would never get the right of return because they are Arab, and so comply with apartheid. Those are not the terms the Jews are demanding while they are demanding that 0% of the Jews get treated like that for what happened in WWII.

You lot call that being fair and giving a well balanced proposal to the Arabs.

Of course not. The Jewish terms are utterly and utterly racist, aimed to protect the vast majority of the property they thieved at gunpoint. Seems obvious you don't dare to mention the terms and what it actually means.

Spain got that as well. And I doubt you can prove your ancestry to 1492, what they owned that got stolen and so claim what is yours to inherit.

Nope. That is insanity. You can not claim property that somebody bought and was living in based on only your ethnic heritage. That's just ethnically cleansing around. And there was no Right of Return prior to 1948, duh! Stop complaining and stop justifying ethnic cleansing.

PS... the Jews were ordered to massacre all the Arab males and tear down all the properties of the Arabs civilians in Haifa.
The Jewish simply did deliberately destroy the properties of the Arabs in Haifa as well as in 100's of other cities and towns.
You know there is a list around what towns and cities got targeted.

If Arabs started a war or not is absolutely not relevant. That's just you making a petty excuse why it somehow is justified to thieve from civilians on a massive scale. You lot got a dime a dozen of excuses why your war crimes against civilians must be supported, demanding to be treated above international law.

Time to own up what the Jews did. Time to pay up what the Jews destroyed and return property that wasn't theirs to take. You can't expect that your own war crimes must profit, but when others commit war crimes against you they must pay up. Other nations payed up billions in damages to the Jews. And you're just ignoring that for the sake of your pro war crime agenda.

 

No that is a myth the Jews were not driven out of Israel in the first or second century, you fell for it, ask any Rabbi!

 

This will not be true. There is no evidence of it. The Zioinst did however create quite a few massacres. Some times it was just the men who were killed. Sometimes everyone. The intention of the early massacres like Dier Yassin was to get every one scared that their women would be raped and their men killed in order to encourage the Palestinians to flee their homeland. For a long time the tale was told that the BBC had broadcast the Arabs telling the Palestinians to leave. That however was not true. The BBC has confirmed that it still had details of what was going on at that time and they know this was not it and they did not broadcast this. The Zionist brigades were told that it would be preferred if the Arab villages were emptied but they were not forced to do this. One in particular who choose not to do this was a Canadian. If I am remembering correctly he believed it was wrong to ethnically cleanse Christians - I think it was mainly Christian arabs he saved.

Some Zionists certainly were not wanting the Palestinians to be treated as they were particurly in, I think it was Haifa (but I might have got that wrong) but in one city Zionists and the Indiginous people lived well together and always had. They did not want the Arabs to leave or to be massacred or ethnically cleansed. The Zionist leaders however went around the town with loudspeakers saying scary things which would encourage the Palestinian Arabs to leave.

This like pretty much everything you have written so far is just make believe.

If as you claim you have got this from reading, I really would love to know where you got your information from. Zionists were 'encouraged' to get rid of the arabs. This is before the Arab armies came in. It is estimated that around 300-400,000 Indiginous people had been ethnically cleansed before the arab armies came in. They apparently declared their reason for coming in which was to protect the Palestinians inside from being attacked, killed or raped but it was also to stop so many Palestinians coming into their lands and being more mouths to feed. The arab armies only came in for the following reasons. 1. They suspected Jordan had done a deal with Israel which Ilian Pappe says is true. Some of their leaders thought, well if the Jordanians are getting something so will we. That was the selfish bit which probably encouraged leaders but even then they were not kean to go in. What made them go in was their people getting more and more angry at the Palestinians being raped, murdered and ethnically cleansed. They never tried to get into the area which had been supposed to be a 'Jewish' State. They just tried to get the land which would have been the Palestinian. Israel is a very strange country. While apparently 'defending' her 'country' she took over half of what was to have been the Palestinian country.

They have always been second class citizens. Israel destroyed most of their villages, over 500. Their position in Israel is very unstable at the moment when polls show that almost half of Israeli Jews want them out. They are no longer on any level assumed to be equal after the Nation State Law which made Israel simply a state for Jews. There are about 60 laws in Israel which are different if you are a Jew or Arab.

No dear you are making this up as you go along. Zionists shot Palestinian Arabs who tried to return. These people will be the descendents from villages which the Zionists who went in chose not to ethnically cleanse or in some more vicious way end them being there.

Again you are just using your imagination. Please tell me the book you read this in.

You are totally wrong that the right to return is based on the Palestinians acceptance of Israel's right to exist.

The thing about right to exist was Israel's original demand and it is only you who has added the word permanently. No one can tell the future. The Palestinian Arabs agreed during the Oslo talks on a two state solution to accept the Israeli State. The also agreed to let that state have not only the original land ascribed to it which was over 50% but also to have the further 28% which was to have been part of the Palestinian state that Israel had taken while defending herself in 48. They agreed to do all this provided they were able to built a contiguous viable state in the remaing 22% of their homeland. They were broken then.

Unfortunately since then Israel has continued to take their land and they have got no state. Israel no longer asks them to agree to Israel's right to exist which they did do during Oslo. Now Israel wants them to admit to Israel's right to exist as a Jewish State. The current feeling among Palestinians is that they are well aware Israel exists but given the way she came to exist, by taking what was their homeland, they cannot say she has the right to have it. Her taking over of their State has been achieved so they definately accept there is an Israeli state but as there was nothing 'Just' in this coming into being they cannot say it is 'right'. With regard to a 'Jewish' State given that as you know around 20% of the inhabitants are not Jewish they cannot agree with Israel being a Jewish state. She should be a state for all her citizens.

 

Let's just skip to point we disagree about Iran supports terrorist proxies it will save a lot of time, I think we've been in this game for many years and so its nothing new,
You mean right-left ? its complicated now, the left party is nearly wiped out, "we" lefties moved to the center and the right is sadly a bit bigger than us to be honest, we cant count the Arabs because they refuse coalition so the right side is bigger, but - Bibi's party is starting to break apart and maybe maybe maybe we can finally replace him, not that you would like his opposing rival...

 

The glory of Bibi goes hand in hand with demonizing the left, I know what left you are talking about friend and its to the left what nazis are to the right, it was the socialist left that built this country in its early years, in any case to the security issues that seems to be the only thing that matters to voters - both parties are the same, the center-left will never decide on borders without a general agreement by the ppl,
I never liked him to be honest, I hate that arrogant type, he was OK for his supporters I guess but he's been for way too long and he doesn't care if the country burns as long as he keeps his throne, after all even the Prophets preferred the rule of Judges over Kings right ?

 

Yeah .. its the ME - who isn't supporting terrorist proxies in some way or form in that region - US included - and I don't disagree that Iran has been causing trouble - but nukes are a serious issue - separate from this 80 year long blood feud/ squabble .. and sometimes these are conflated which is not good.

If Iran was arming Hezbollah/Hamas like US/Israel/El Saud - and at least 10 other nations were arming Al Qaeda and and associated El Saud Spawn in Syria - then we would have a problem .. but they are not. A sophisticated missile - or drone attack for that matter - has never happened .. up until now the opposition firepower has consisted mostly of home made rockets .. suped up fireworks essentially - that have not done much damage -

What a union made in hades was the Syrian war .. Good buddies with Brother El Saud now are we.

Help me out with my memory but is not El Saud the nation who teaches its children to hate Christians and Jews - and heck even muslims that do not share their extremist radical Islamist Perspective.

Let me just check here .. are not Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Islamic Front, Boko Haraam, Al Shabaab, the nutjobs in Pakistan and India .. and all the ex Russian or currently Russian Stans

are any of these groups spawned from "Iranian" ideology .. armed and supported by Iran ?

Hmm .. no .. not to my recollection - how about yours. These are all the offspring of the El Saud - extremist Salafist Islamist ideology .. supported and armed by Lord Saud...

So .. while you are calling out Iran for their support of terrorist proxies - perhaps you should take the log out of Israel's eye ... the enemy of my enemy right .. OK .. what ever .. but this doesn't change the fact that Israel had its hands way deep in the support supply and arming of terrorist proxies in Syria ...

Good thing what's good for goose is not good for gander. Israel needs to calm down ..

 

You have peace with Morroco thanks to Trump and P.M Netanyahu.
Give him the credit

 

They were never fighting.

The problem with these countries 'normalising' their relationship with Israel is that they all seem to have been bribed and frankly if bribes are necessary I would not put too much on it. They may be bribed by someone else or the US may not deliver the goods.

UAE wanted those 35 bombers
Sudan wanted an end of sanctions and has already said it will stop treating Israel as 'normal' if this does not happen soon.
Not sure what it was with Bahrain

and now this

BREAKING: Morocco builds ties with Israel in return for recognition of its authority over Western Sahara – Middle East Monitor

Looking at the last bribe with Morocco, I don't know anything about this situation between Morocco and the Algeria-backed Polisario Front but what would make Trump offering to recognise it as Morocco's such a big deal? Could it be another war for the US to be involved in.

 

I'd like to know why Morocco should care what Israel thinks about the Western Sahara. Does Morocco expect Israel's opinion will have any effect on it? And if so ... what?