Arizona Republicans Cast Alternate Electors for Trump

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is at least the second thread he's started, claiming the VP is the person who chooses the president. LOL.
     
  2. Yulee

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    None of these have been certified by the state legislatures they’re not even qualified to be counted.

    That would certainly end all one term president from now until eternity if that was possible!
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The republicans are literally destroying this country from within. This type of ****, even if seen by most as having no official capacity, DO HAVE a psychological effect on the country. The right is doing this because they think it will de-legitimize Biden’s presidency, but they leave out the that this will also have a very damaging effect on democracy as a whole.

    We are a country of rules, and laws, and the right in this country is now picking and choosing which ones actually matter, because they don’t like the outcome of the election. And this isn't the fringe of the party, this is the MAINSTREAM of the Republican Party.

    These people actively tried to use their power to overthrow the election, and thats NOT hyperbole. A not so small subset of the party DID try to ignore the election and install the candidate they wanted. Now re-read that last sentence a few times and let that sink in. This wasn’t some “crazies” in the party, in the last poll i saw, 72% of republicans actually believe that this election was rigged, and that they actually did win. You can thank OAN, Newsmax, Epoc, and all the other “news sources” for this. They are now the source of truth for the right. Fox wasn’t radical enough, so they went even further right, and even further from the truth.

    I dont think that people are taking what’s happening here serious enough. I really believe that we have a crisis in this country right now that is so dire, it endangers the republic.
     
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    It is sad and scary that you are som completely misinformed.
    Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution says

    “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electirs ...”

    Those Electors cast ballots. Pence then opens the ballots of the Electors that have been chosen by the legislature. He will not open the votes of a bunch of seditious clowns who got together in the parking lot and called themselves Electors. He has no ability to open the votes of said clowns. He can only open the votes of the Electors appointed by the state.

    But hey, tell you what. If you like this approach, just wait until 2024. Democrats in every state will send a slate of Dem electors and the Dem VP will choose those votes and every president for all time will be a Dem who wins 538-0.
     
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    I sent my slate of alternate Arizona electors in as well.... Requesting they vote for Phil Mickelson for President...

    My POTUS might actually play more golf than the current POTUS...

    Here's my slate of 11 electors...

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    Hope Pence picks this one...

    :roflol:
     
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    You might want to try reading it again. No, it doesn't say that. It says he opens, not that he chooses.
     
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    "Opens all" vs "chooses the ones to open." Please read. According to your logic, the next Dem VP could simply choose not to open the ones from states that voted GOP. That's insane.
     
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    I think that was Michigan.

    That group called itself alternately, the Michigan Republican Party, or the Armisted Project. They are a front for a Chicago based anti abortion group.
     
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    [QUOTE="doombug, post: 1072300013, member:
    This is official. Whether it works out in Trump's favor remains to be seen but it will be up to VP Pence to choose which electors are legitimate. With all the voter fraud and illegal votes it may be tough to decide......or maybe not.[/QUOTE]
    Lol...stop the squeal.
    You're just embarrassing yourself.
    And speaking of voter fraud-

    https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/An-ex-cop-held-an-A-C-repairman-at-gunpoint-over-15807503.php

     
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  10. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Lol...stop the squeal.
    You're just embarrassing yourself.
    And speaking of voter fraud-



    https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/An-ex-cop-held-an-A-C-repairman-at-gunpoint-over-15807503.php

    [/QUOTE]

    Off topic.
     
  11. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Meh, read what it says.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Seeing how Pence is a Republican I doubt he picks your losers.
     
  13. Hoosier8

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    He actually could choose but it would not be likely. Like most Congress critters he probably has his eye on the Presidential prize in the future. The rules for this are generally accepted to be almost unintelligible.
     
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    Doombug was saying the text of the 12th amendment allows him to choose. That is clearly ridiculous.
     
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    He has to count ALL elector ballots and could choose which one to include. Not going to happen IMHO.
     
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    Yes, you definitely deserve credit for your unwavering belief in orange man. It takes guts to stick with him while his behavior becomes more and more unhinged for all to see.
     
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    No, he couldn’t. He only opens the ballots of the Electors chosen by the states.

    To put it another way, these seditious clowns are not Electors.
     
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  18. Hoosier8

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    Many of the states have two sets of elector ballots.
     
  19. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Well, it takes more than a Tweet to convince me.
     
  20. Brit

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    There is nothing in the 12th amendment to suggest it is Pence's job to disentangle such a situation.
     
  21. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet he is the sole entity that decides though unlikely he would. This has been argued by many lawyers and there is agreement and disagreement but the fact is, it is not written in stone.
     
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    Isn't it the job of the House and the Senate to decide? There are now official electors, and for any state's official electors to be rejected doesn't it need a majority vote in both chambers?
     
  23. Hoosier8

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    Only if a state objects with one House member and one Senate member. House democrats objected 9 times in 2016 but could not get one Senator to join.
     
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    So if this doesn't happen, don't the official electors automatically stand?
     
  25. Hoosier8

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    Pretty much, like I said it would be possible for Pence to only include the republican electors where there are two sets but very unlikely Pence would want to set a precedent.
     

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