Arizona Republicans Cast Alternate Electors for Trump

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  1. doombug

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    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1001721/18

    This is official. Whether it works out in Trump's favor remains to be seen but it will be up to VP Pence to choose which electors are legitimate. With all the voter fraud and illegal votes it may be tough to decide......or maybe not.

    This isn't the first time that two groups of electors were sent to congress to be certified. It was done in 1960. Nixon went ahead and certified the democrat electors because even if he chose the others he still would not have won. This time is different.

    We will see what will happen.
     
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    As per the article, the official electoral votes were for Biden. How is this different from 1960? Trump is still not gonna win, as was the case with Nixon right?
     
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    WRONG!

    What are you posting that same BS again?:bored:

    Oh well, I guess that I will have to walk you through it:

    Here we go again. Listen closely.

    Do you understand the procedure IF "dueling electors" are an issue?

    Well, Just in case:

    1) IF 2 Sets of Electors (in an absurdly unlikely scenario) are sent by a state (for each candidate), THEN, Both Houses of Congress Vote on which one to seat.

    2) Obviously, The Democratic House will vote to seat the Biden Electors.

    3) The current makeup of the Senate is 50 (R} and 48 (D}, since the GA Senators won't be seated by Jan.6th.

    4) Thus, only 2 GOP Senators would be needed to seat the Biden Electors.

    5) Romney, Murkowski, Thune, Alexander, and McConnell (at an absolute minimum) will be enough to give the Senate the Majority to accept the Biden Electors.


    Tl;Dr--Alternate Electors being selected is NOT Happening.

    ___________

    "Up to VP Pence to choose" :roflol:
     
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    Exactly.

    And, the situation in 1960 was so far removed from what Trump's 2020 Delusions are attempting, that 1960 isn't even on the same planet.

    In fact any attempt to conflate the two is egregiously misguided.
     
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    That's not official. That's as quack as it gets.
    While Pence can take his opinion to court.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this the one that they held a fake conference outdoors in the cold because they were not allowed to do so in the chamber and then applauded themselves?

    The republican party has turned into a cult clown show
     
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    The OP obviously is exhibiting an egregious misunderstanding of the actual process.

    See Post #3 (above)
     
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    Sure it is. The 12th amendment is pretty official:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    These electors are the official Republican electors. The President of the Senate is the Vice President....Mike Pence.
     
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    You are WRONG.

    I am very sad to hear that you are so misinformed on this matter.

    You are certainly exhibiting an egregious misunderstanding of the implications of the 12th Amendment.

    Where are you even getting this incredibly misinformed stuff from?

    Pence decides NOTHING.

    (Except to bang the gavel, and declare Biden President).

    In terms of Seating Electors, Pence Can Do NOTHING

    (Once again, make a careful reading of Post #3, above).

    In fact, McConnell has already put a lid on the entire idea of "Contesting Electors".

    Putting his authority on the line, McConnell also asked his Senate colleagues not to stage any stunts when Congress meets for a joint session to ratify the election on January 6, effectively crushing the President's hopes of an 11th hour reprieve, CNN reported.

    In other words, it doesn't matter what one "thinks" or "believes":

    On Jan. 6th a Joint Session of congress will award 306 EV to Biden, and Biden WILL be sworn in on Jan. 20th.

    ^Those are FACTS.
     
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    The radical right wing media has a strong hold on some people.
     
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    The plain text says he chooses the votes......
     
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    I thought it was a joke at first or maybe just symbolic but these are OFFICIAL electors:
    From the article:
    And it looks like they are serious:
    Oh well, it will be interesting to see how this turns out. I doubt the corrupt election results will be changed but this definitely makes Biden/Harris illegitimate.
     
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    As opposed to the left wing fake nooze?
     
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    In four years from now, @doombug will still post daily threads about Trump winning the election any day now. You just have to have faith....
     
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    Where? What you quoted said he "opens all the certificates". That is nowhere near what you are suggesting.
     
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    What else does it mean? He chooses the ones to open. It is that simple.
     
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    Individual states ratify who are the electors. It's not up to Pence to disregard that. He, and buddy Donald can go to court and file a lawsuit against the states who ratified the electors. And you know, they did... and they are on 1 massive losing streak thanks to the judges they installed. Hilarious.
     
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    He opens ALL the certificates. That is the opposite of choosing.
     
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    At least give me a little credit here. I may not be posting about Trump winning but I will be posting how Biden/Harris are illegitimate. If dems can yell "resist!" and "Russia, Russia, Russia!" Why can't I?
     
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    He has to choose them first. Remember, it is not which electors that vote that counts, it is who counts the electors votes.......
     
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    And where does it say he has to choose first in the 12th amendment?
     
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    LOL! How can he open them without choosing them?
     
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    I don't know if you're trolling or if you seriously believe this; I hope for your sake, the former. But the text obviously doesn't support what you are claiming. He opens all the certificates. No choice. Maybe there is some other precedent for what you're claiming, in which case fine. But then cite that, not this patently ridiculous argument.
     
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    OMG @doombug.

    The VPOTUS has no power to determine the next POTUS, except for the one vote he gets, like every other citizen. If he fails to do his duty, he will be pushed aside, and the president pro-tem will do it.

    I sure hope you snap out of this fantasy soon.
     

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