We now arguably have the justification for shutting down Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, etc.

Arbitrary labels for ease of discussion, easily researched if you want more detail. To be more accurate, we could say authoritarianism — the fundamental tenet of Fascism — can come from any number of extremist movements.

 

Actually the lies of RW media distorted and misrepresented Antifa and BLM into something they aren't. So where have YOU been? I know, I know, .... buried in right wing media.

 

This has been fun since every right wing argument here has been thoroughly shot down and trashed, but I gotta do more important things now. Buh-bye.

 

That’s pronounced “fweedom.”

 

Well to begin with, my comment contained a typo. I didn't expect what happened at the Capitol to happen.

I don't think Trump wanted the SOS to make up or fabricate the votes. I think he believed they were there ... somewhere.

I think what he said to Pence is typical, but not a crime.

If Trump was unconcerned about the VP, I would also see that as typical, but he would know Pence was under Secret Service protection wherever he was.

What I'm seeing right now, dairyair, is a bit of a hysterical feeding frenzy, to include this topic of banning free speech.

 

I am no cyber security expert, but I do not trust China. I think the idea that a Chinese app could not possibly be a security threat, could not possibly be used by China to spy on us,

... is silly.

 

Your facile assumption is an easily-defeated fallacy. My positions are derived from primary source material. ANTIFA are a loose-knit decentralized far left anarcho-Marxist/Maoist cadre of mostly middle- and upper-middle-class misfit suburban white young adults and teens who like to play dressup soldier and train with AK47s. Most are in it for the rush of rioting and trashing storefronts... far cheaper than therapy. There are within their midsts some ultraviolent true believers who foment chaos and incite violence. They will commit assault from the comfort of their group, and really just enjoy being bullies, allowing them to pretend they are “tough” having been bullied themselves in school, etc.. They are essentially the left-wing version of militias like the Minuteman Movement or the Wolverine Watchmen.

#SBLM OTOH put all their cards on the table. Their whole agenda is available for all to see on their website. They are better-organized than ANTIFA with whom they enjoy a symbiotic working relationship but are far better funded. You could view ANTIFA as the militant wing of a larger leftist cabal with #SBLM at the top.

 

No one thought the Capitol would be attacked. But, the rally goer's did.

He wanted the SoS to 'recalculate' the votes. A veiled request. And suggested the SoS not finding the recalculation could be very dangerous. Very prophetic of him.

Never said anything about his comment about Pence was a crime. Not even sure why that thought entered your mind.

Of course there's hysteria, The USA Capitol was over run with trump supporters.

 

With Pence - not a crime; but pressuring someone to ignore the constitution is extremely unethical

I told my son last Monday that the Trumpers would storm the capitol and hold congresspeople hostage unless they agreed to throw out Biden's vote. So the actual "storming: was easy to see coming

 

And putting a USA company name on the ownership list would not change that.
As the code is still being written in China.

So, it's a wasted effort at spying?

But none the less, it's an attempt at limiting free speech.

 

I could agree.

Why was there not a bigger fence?
Why was no Nat'l guard in place?

edit:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/d-c-mayor-calls-national-guard-pro-trump-protests-set-n1252800

I guess some were activated. But none protecting the Capitol?

 

DC can't call in the Guard themselves since they are not a state and of course the white house was not going to do it

Seems like despite some warnings, they just decided to ignore them

 

agree, but that also applies to corps foreign outsourcing American jobs, how much control of our data do we want to give them.... a lot per Trump (of course that was right after they gave his family trademarks)



should we let foreign countries control our data and infrastructure like 5g?

this is the one thing I though Trump might stop, but nope, not at all

 

So you admit flat out that two of your major terms of approbation are nothing more than arbitrary labels you use to smear your opponents with, like "commufascism" or "cultural Marxist". At least you manage to allow a partial pinning down with "authoritarian" but there's a problem there too. Conservatives (and what is conservative or liberal pray tell? Are you one?) have more than a nodding affection for authoritarianism. At least it's always seemed to me that you like a government that doesn't mollycoddle its malefactors and that turns a jaundiced eye to "protest" in the streets.

Precision in language is a lofty goal and few of us really achieve it but we should at least try. We need to define our terms clearly and stick to them or we will end up LITERALLY not knowing what we are talking about

 

Shumer compared it to Pearl Harbor. FFS!

 

No, we shouldn't. Period.

Ya think Joe will do any better?

 

You must have me confused with another poster. I did not use those terms you are attributing to me.

For our purposes, I will offer that there is a political continuum - on one end is pure authority, on the other pure liberty. Nobody can exist at either terminus, and most people naturally gravitate toward the center, though topically they can veer toward an extreme for various reasons.

I will have to disagree witg you here. There is no monopoly on authoriarianism.

Fallacy, ad hominem. I am not the topic of this thread.

I agree. I prefer not using the left/right binary and prefer the continuously variable authoritarian/libertarian scale.

For my part, I beleive a libertarian philosophy is preferable to an authoritarian one. Somewhere in there lies the state, and it's monumental task of carefully balancing competing interests. I have yet to see one that has truly mastered it.

So back to fascism -- it can exist anywhere on the left/right binary but is always authoritarian in nature and is found only at the extreme ends of the continuum.

 

don't know, I know Bush, Obama and Trump did not, we will see with Biden

 

Did any President ever?

 

Excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports are a recent threat to this country

 

How are they threats?

 

they are destroying this country economically.... and having any country control all our IT Data, Services and Hardware is a national security risk

 

How?

 

How are they destroying us economically? How are they controlling all our IT Data, Services, and Hardware?

 

if all our jobs go overseas, and we buy all our stuff from overseas, that harms us economically, as we see by our huge debt

sending all our IT jobs to places like India, buying our 5g stuff from places like China, that is a national security risk

notice I used the word 'excessive', normal trade is needed and beneficial

"Excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports are a recent threat to this country"