We now arguably have the justification for shutting down Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, etc.

How does it harm us to buy from overseas if we can get the same quality for less?

How does it jeopardize National Security?

What's excessive?

 

Holy Totalitarian Perspective Batman ! - and violation of the rule of Law

 

that is like saying, how can excessive sun harm us when a normal amount is good for you

people need jobs, if they don't have them, the economy collapses, unless we choose to become a socialist country and just print money

 

The real issue is what constitutes a 'lie'? Is it a lie because someone said it was or that many people called it a lie? Is something the truth because a person said it was the truth or that many people claimed to be the truth? Philosophically this is the debate between subjective and objective truths.

As Philosopher's, we tend towards empirical evidence which will reveal truths to be objective while at times our moral codes and views are subjective. A subjective 'truth' is not a lie per se, just so long as the person understood that there's no empirical basis behind it. So the example here is Trump believing he was robbed.

He's free to have this belief and it may even be tangible to him, but it's not empirical and that's what he doesn't understand.

In 2021, we face the challenge politically that fact-checkers are humans with their own political bias's so we can't call them empirical. In a Clinton V Obama primary their sites both referenced fact-checkers. Which fact checker is telling the truth and which one a lie? And if both are true, how does one go about discerning the two candidates?

This is the climate that got Trump elected. Simply put, critical thinking and therefore discernment is absent and we're asking others to comfort us with the truth. That's a very dangerous game we're playing and as long as we play it this way we'll be led astray whether it's one or many sources.

@Patricio Da Silva is a rival philosopher but also in my view a good friend and an astute philosopher. So I'd be interested in his views on the need for an empirical based politics and how we can achieve this. Problems are best solved when even rivals join forces.

 

That's like saying the Sun gives you cancer, therefore I'm never going to the beach or wear a sleeveless dress. It's also like saying we don't need not furrin things and we should tax our own people who buy the thing that's cheaper so as to support our own manufacturers who can't compete in the world market. You don't get jobs by penalizing one group of Americans to support another who want to compete through government favoritism rather than by making better stuff for less like we used to in America.

I asked you how MUCH was excessive, answer the ****** question.

Ever hear of MMT? Obviously not, look it up and be amazed.

 

nope, because I was very clear that we need foreign imports, just not excessive foreign imports

excessive is when it starts harming the economy, which it now is

tariffs are needed on some things to equal the playing field

 

How does it hurt the economy to buy things?

The field is always level, some people make stuff for less and they take our lunch. That's called competition and it's how all of us get better stuff for less. Unless, of course, some of those making the stuff know Uncle Sugar Daddy and get him to tax anyone of our fellow citizens who can't afford to help him send his daughter to the Sorbonne to study Medieval basket weaving and therefore have to either repair their non-Maytag or do their clothes at the Fluf and Fold (the machines there are from Spain).

Tariffs are simple-minded bull SH*T. They've turned a goodly portion of the world into shitholes and this was to our profit for most of the last century. Now they've gotten smart and we turned stupid. Go figure.

 

Fox WAS the problem. MSNBC WAS the problem. But Fox created the beast others tried to replicate ihn some manner. The problem in this country is that we allow companies to use propaganda, and call it “news”.

 

I believe the left has lost their minds. They want to forcibly remove from office a president who will be leaving that office in a week in a half. It will only galvanize and anger the right. Most of us are content to just let Trump leave the office peaceably. However, the left wants retribution, not just Trump but anyone else who gave the slightest hint of supporting him.

They already did one impeachment when they knew the chances of success were nil.

They want to press charges when there is no evidence that Trump ordered the rioters to enter the capital building.

They started all this nonsense even before he took his oath of office. Is it not surprising that the people on the right are angered and encouraged to support Trump?

 

That will be a priority. People may resist. I went to the store yesterday (local Tractor supply) and the subject of discussion people were having while social distancing was the brand of red dot sight they had on their AR-15. That and the impossibility of currently buying ammo.

 

You should read opinion pieces on foreign news. Everything I’ve seen so far boils down to a statement that the US doesn’t have the freedom of speech anymore. Everyone understands - there is little difference between government censorship and a large tech sector forming an equivalent of a cartel and imposing their censorship on everyone, including the president of the United States.

 

Oh my. The horror, hey?

What do you compare it to?

 

What a revisionist joke and fabrication. The only reason Fox News even exists is that CNN and the Big 3 moved further and further left over the years to the point that they became extensions of the Democratic Party and the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex. Had those 4 networks not gotten greedy with partisan overreach, and had kept weaving carefully placed nuggets of propaganda into lots of factual, reasonably objective reporting, they could have kept the "illusion of choice" going on for decades, to date even, into the net age, could have utterly prevented meaningful competition in TV news.

Instead they panicked, got dumb and heavy handed at about the time of the GOP Renaissance in the early 90s, started laying it on too thick, and alienating not just RW viewers, but a huge chunk of independents and centrists also. So partisan overreach in media broadcasting created the opportunity and niche not only for Fox News but also Rush Limbaugh and all the other RW partisan media, which had been a tiny fringe prior.

Today, TV news in the US is effectively another supermarket tabloid rack. In fact, supermarket tabloids are more credible because they are obvious, whereas TV media still tries to pretend that it is doing journalism and objective reporting. Compounding the problem is that the news is now also the mouthpiece of vast corporate empires and other monied interests, allowed by outright GRAFT to avoid the antitrust laws, some of the only worthy federal laws bribed into being dead letter law in Administration after Administration. Now we also have a crooked monstrous, overpowered social media doing exact same thing, maybe even worse. Fox News is a bit player in that vast, rotten scheme.

 

The corporations are making their own decisions on doing business in China. They all know the risks.
Should our gov't mandate they can't?

Is the RW of the country now officially going to state, free market capitalism is wrong? And the gov't needs to play mommie to the corporations? What a turn of events.
Where was this 30 yrs ago, when the R party pushed hard to open world markets?

 

Why recent?
Hasn't it always been, from day 1, a possibility?

 

Vortex Strikefire II.

 

Wrong.

It is only lame and uninformed opinion that would lead one to the conclusion that fox or anyone else defended or paved the way for this riot.

 

That cat was let out of the bag 30 yrs ago.

We led the way to globalisation. The world is not going to retreat into each country's shell.
Technology has made it that doing business in China is just as easy as doing business in one's own country.

What is needed moving forward, IMO, are rules/laws/regulations/ on how to proceed on the global stage.

As one of the biggest countries, the USA can lead(which we were doing 4 yrs ago), follow, or sit it out.
The only good option is to lead, IMO.

 

All media outlets lie, sometimes subtle, sometimes less so. Consumers need to remember the maxim caveat emptor.

 

If you want to sue somebody over Wuhan Coronavirus 2019, it ought to be the Communist Party of China.

 

This is why leftism is so dangerous. The participants are willing to abandon all their rights and bow to their masters/kings for a few coppers and a bowl of rice..

 

I don't think it's possible to shut down these outlets by legal action but let's be exacting when we speak about what happened. This is decidedly not just a matter of disagreeing with the positions these outlets take. They told overt lies, purposely misinforming their audience about the election. Notably, this is nothing new. It's just that this time they contributed to the delusion most of the mob was operating under that Biden did not win the election in a landslide.
Did they contribute to the insurrection? Unequivocally, yes. Can Congress do anything about it? No. It's going to be up to consumers and advertisers to hold these traitors accountable.

 

I can only imagine how quickly their minds will change when it's starts affecting them personally, and it will eventually. No way of getting around that.

 

Joe Biden is the Democratic Party and Joe Biden is going to maintain the status quo. Progressives wish lists are not getting any boxes checked on the T0-Do List under Wall Street Joe's administration. Maybe next time.

 

Hasn't that been the case throughout leftist oppression? They are a defeatist group with very short memories of their own history.. They continually step in the same piss hole generation after generation for the vision and false promises of leisure time, free living and utopia that never comes.. Civilization was founded on purpose and barter and by some delusion fantasy a huge group of people believe government and politicians will create this fantasy whereas they have NEVER yet done so in almost a century of promises..