No, Trump Isn’t Guilty of Incitement

And you're very welcome. But not at the moment. If you haven't already had it you might get a nasty surprise At least 14 days in quarantine.

 

See, that is the kind of divisive, accusatory false indictment that creates and perpetuates the conflict, the division, the hate, the anger, ..... --all of the problems we have between the left and right today. So "thank you" for being part of the problem. You know damned well, as I do, that no Democrat has directed or ordered or requested the FBI to act as requested, let alone "demanded". The FBI is independent of both parties although Christopher Wray was appointed by Trump. So I ask that you cease and desist in your use of such inflammatory language.

You read my sentence wrong. I didn't intend to say "they were the same Americans". I said you think the situations are the same.

 

Good. You should protect the British people.

I'm sitting in British Columbia in Canada (5.1m people) with these covid numbers...



... where we, too, have a 14-day quarantine on travelers. My wife and I are in our BC home instead of our other home in Oregon because we're safer in Canada (we were both born in the USA and took added Canadian citizenship in the 1970s).

 

I didn't hear any audit demand that was for specific areas, but did hear people demanding audits. It would be appropriate to audit all- but much more important to audit areas where irregularities were most common and where the flow of results indicated abnormality. But- NO audit is a rejection of objections- and when millions of people believe there has been fraud, just that belief is a threat to the integrity of the system.
Honest people would have been readily willing to submit to audit. Refusing doesn't prove fraud either- but it does say they won't prove their wasn't.

Trump in his position has right to hire and fire, and his job is to build a team that backs his agenda. Working if such a job is not any kind of social program or entitlement, it's more like being a player on a pro ball team- and the manager runs the show. People in congress are employees of the federal government, not of the states whose voters select them. The voters can do a recall, but that is very complicated and time consuming. Congress of course has a much more accurate picture of what it's members are actually doing; on one hand it makes sense that they have the power to clean their own house- but makes no sense that they won't, except to say their collective integrity is not loyal to the voters who elected them nor the sworn purpose of their position. So Trump's shifting of his direct appointees is totally a different thing. The employees loyalty should be to the boss- Trump.. The congress loyalty should be to the nation as well as the state they come from, and that role should be fulfilled with integrity. IF congress cares about it's collective integrity, it MUST remove corrupt influence and corrupt people, which certainly abound, but you never hear of such actions. Never. Thus one can only conclude that congress tolerates corruption in office because it is the common denominator- they all are party to it in various degrees. There would be no other reason.

Trump does have ethics. Perhaps not what you understand, but he certainly does- and good ones when it comes to his purpose for running. I have some window to this because I have founded 8 businesses over 53 years, my current one active in 110 countries. Small for sure, but broad. I understand at least some of his experience and drive.

Business in many areas is extremely competitive- nice guys get tough or get gone. Getting tough is not the same as dishonesty. Trump IS a tough competitor in the business area- and his home turf of New York one of the toughest. Just dealing with the unions in construction there is like dealing with mafia, except this mafia has government approval. You don't have to cheat to be a success in business- but you do have to be able to manage the deals you get into from a position of strength and must CYA at all times. Being tough is a huge asset for a leader of a nation, and Trump was. His failure was not being willing to put up a fake front for people so they would think he was a nice guy. I believe he thought that doing so would be dishonest- lying about who you are, as nearly all politicians do... which is something we should be very tired of. Many were- but many were not, and prefer comfortable lies to uncomfortable truth. Politics is no place for weak people- they get eaten alive. The image of nice is never real, it's a facade.

Hillary Clinton almost made it. Publicly, reasonable, competent. Behind closed doors- a bitch on wheels who would crap on you for being visible. Read the books and stories that came from people like the secret service agents assigned to protect her. I remember on stated agent that he greeted her as they passed in a hallway at the white house; said "Good morning, Mam". Hillary said, "Fu*k off". That was common demeanor, not exception.

Few people are what they appear to be, that goes total in politics. The honest ones who don't need your approval can afford to be- others cannot. There are vastly more frauds in politics than real people.

 

The others I agree with, but did Tara Reade recant?

 

Has he pardoned his kids? I've not read that. And what crimes are they accused of?

 

The D.C. attorney general is looking at the pre insurgency speeches made by Rudy G.Dirty Don Jr.,Mo Brooks and Dirty Donald himself to see if they violated the D.C. law against incitement to riot or destroy.

 

Trump has turned us into one of those shithole countries he spoke of .

 

Democrats needed no Trump”s help in doing that.

 

If he had any balls, he'd start with Pelosi, AOC, Schumer and a lot of the trash that's been inciting riot for the last year and more.

 

Pardoning his kids would cost him some support. Of course, he could pardon himself and that would get tongues wagging.

 

Pelosi has been saying things you don't like. Ditto AOC and Schumer. So what? Why are you so excited?

 

That's nonsense. I'm a socialist and I'm VERY opposed to communism as are all the socialists I know.

 

Bleh.... that's like saying all Christians are Catholics because they believe in Jesus. Lutherans are just Catholic wannabees?

Not. A. Chance.

I know my neighborhood; it means I know a lot about my neighbors, but not everything.

 

Trump has been in charge for 4 years. Sorry, can't blame Democrats for Trump's mess.

 

The trash is in charge. And it's a rainbow colored bin. Get used to it. White Nationalism is dead.

 

I've got relatives somewhere out there. They emigrated decades ago. Never had contact with them. Perhaps you know them.Their name is.... er...perhaps not

 

There is no Trump mess. There are Democratic opportunistic vultures not letting crisis go to waste.

Trump may be remembered by the historians for being twice-impeached and for the Capital-falling, but I will also remember him for being good for America, too.

 

How can any socialist be opposed to such beautiful Utopia?

 

Millions of Americans don't believe in the Corona virus, or at least its terrible consequences. 'It's just another flu' 'It will go away'. How many of Trumps followers believe him and are now either in hospital or dead for listening to him and not the experts. You can fool many people into believing you, but you can't stop things happening.

You are still maintaining that all the justice system in the States are crooked, that the officials cannot be trusted - even the Republicans that certified the election results.

Being tough is not an asset. It's showing your inability to negotiate, to recognise others opinions.

What wisdom can you find that is greater than kindness? Jean-Jacques Rousseau
You can accomplish by kindness what you cannot by force. Publilius Syrus
A great man shows his greatness by the way he treats little men. Thomas Carlyle

See bold above.

Trump has at least 11 business failures, has cheated money from people left right and centre. He and his father were proven racists. He got through by sponging on his father, by using his father as guarantor and looking to him to bail him out when he failed. He has paid off women from revealing affairs. He has bought himself out of warrants for his arrest by giving money hither and thither. He owes money all over. If you look at his actions he has given your (tax payers) money away to those who benefitted him, and used his businesses to overcharge for services rendered to the Government. When an 'audit' of his Presidency is done - materially and fiscally - IMHO you will begin to realise the situation. And yet you trust him.

From what you have posted over this everything to you is a 'facade'. Look at what Trump has claimed. He claims he is a successful businessman!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would you not say that is a 'facade'.

The congress loyalty should be to the nation as well as the state they come from, and that role should be fulfilled with integrity. IF congress cares about it's collective integrity, it MUST remove corrupt influence and corrupt people, which certainly abound, but you never hear of such actions. Never. Thus one can only conclude that congress tolerates corruption in office because it is the common denominator- they all are party to it in various degrees. There would be no other reason.

Actions are taken against such people. Both reprimands and expulsions. The latest
2020 David Schweikert Republican Arizona Reprimanded

 

The only thing dead is the brain cells of people who believe their failure to thrive is the result of the world plotting or discriminating against them.
If you can't manage your own life, you are going to do much worse in a position where you are responsible to others.

Anybody of any color can be a competent, wise person- but they are not made that by their color, but by their wisdom and skill.
Diversity is not a replacement for meritocracy, and thinking so is a fool's illusion.
Granted, we do have a lot of fools in the world- but the ships of fools never arrive anywhere of consequence.

 

And of course, that's why Trump put together the Warp-speed project, to bring a vaccine to reality in a fraction of the time ever taken before. He just didn't believe in the virus, so it did that because-???
Got a reason why he did that? OF course you don't. Doesn't fit the hostility you are nurturing.

I maintain that politics is a dirty business, not an honest good-faith one- that there will always be bargaining, self-interest and compromise. Injustice takes place everyday- it is up to the citizens to be vigilant, and call it out when appropriate. Got a problem with a person recognizing the probability that a fraud or crime has been perpetrated? Of course you do. If the allegation doesn't fit the hostility you are nurturing.

You are confused about the nature of relationships. Right now- in a forum where people could be working together on common understandings and progress, you aren't listening to my opinion, nor to any other that doesn't fit the hostility you are nurturing.
Allow me to clarify the picture for you. Something for you to think on.

There are only TWO kinds of relationships in the world- people whose interaction is a partnership, or whose interaction is adversary.
In a partnership- in order for me to win, you must win also. It is in my best interests to see that we win- because we win or lose together.
In an adversary relationship, in order for me to win- YOU must lose. It is in my best interest to see that you do.

Relationships are conducted in a framework, or format.
For example, a ball game is an adversary event- but each team in the game is a partnership.

When you take part in any relationship, you MUST understand the nature of the framework, and the roles of the participants.

For example, a marriage has a framework of partnership. However, many if not most people in a marriage play an adversary role, trying to win over their own partner.
The result of that is half the marriages ending in divorce, and a large part of those that do not becoming failures in principle- sort of walking dead, where people assume that they haven't failed if they haven't divorced. That's just a deception of course, but they use that to deny their is no partnership present and the relationship is a fraud.

Business is somewhat like a baseball league. We compete, but it varies with several factors. For example I want the people I buy good from to make a profit and consider me a good customer- because that gives me their best service. In that respect, we have a kind of partnership- but it's dependent on the roles we play. However, if they begin to see me as a cash cow they can milk dry, they are pure adversary, and that is bad for my company, the partnership I have with my employees, customers and investors. Thus- I want fair partnerships. My responsibility in business is to my company- but unless I'm a fool, I also seek to have good and fair relationships with all I do business with.

HOWEVER- that is MY view, and many people see things differently. It is up to me to never take the nature of the current relationship for granted, to be ever vigilant to keep things working for all involved.

Some kinds of business are more like combat or crooked poker games you can't walk away from. There are, always have been and always will be people who conduct their affairs totally as adversaries to those they deal with- customers, suppliers, employees; all seen and treated as adversaries. Personally, I won't tolerate that, I walk away if possible- and if not, I simply play the adversary game better than the adversary I must play against. That's why you must be tough- the world IS competitive. You can be tough and fair- but you can't be fair and foolish and survive, let alone win.

Teddy Roosevelt is quoted as saying "Talk softly- and carry a big stick." To define that, it means be nice until you have to be tough, and be prepared to use the stick.

Trump has had I think 6 bankruptcies of his businesses, but for sake of argument, lets say 11. Trump's businesses are generally LLC (limited liability corporations) in nature. So are mine.
Trump has about 600 such individual businesses.

The statistics nationally show us that the life of the average new business before it fails is 50% in 5 years. Thus, if Trump's businesses followed the average, he would have 300 failures.
His record actually is very good in this respect.

As for cheating people out of money- you seem to think that squabbles over money are always legitimate, and he should have paid. I can only assume you have never been in a position to know or see the side of monetary aggression many businesses must deal with, or you would know better that to make that assumption. When you are playing with tough adversaries, the claims of cheating become more like a constant element you must deal with. I've been a business owner for 53 years, 8 different businesses. I've been a sued a few times, had to sue a few times and been expert witness several times. I've seen judges take bribes, witnesses lie under oath. Last lawsuit I had was with a roofer who put the wrong product on a building, insisted it wasn't. I showed him the contract obligations and the product data, proving his error. Even offered to pay him half, just to be able to move on and fix the problem. He refused, and sued. He put liens on the property, and it took a year getting to court. He lost; and we got a judgement for the cost of removing the materials he installed. Took us two years to collect half of it. Now- the legal fees were more than double the amount of the lawsuit. I could have paid him in full and saved half the legal expense.

Point is- quite often, the person claiming they are being cheated are the real cheaters. The people who play the system, which are quite prevalent in many industries and certain geographical areas, know that the threat of litigation can be quite profitable, many people will just pay you off to go away. I refused. That was a decision of principle- not a financial one. Smart businessmen don't have to cheat to make money, they don't need to- and that's the hard way, not the easy way.

People like you aren't examining facts to determine truth- you are looking for ways to support claims for conclusions you have already reached. Most of what you claim about Trump comes from the perspective of a person of a person with no actual knowledge or experience.

I don't "trust" Trump as you think. For example, I probably would not do business with him on his home grounds (probably not with anybody in New York for that matter) because the environment there is almost always adversary, and I hate that. But, I have a choice of where to play my game, and because I've become a very good judge of character- what kind of person to play it with. I know how to be tough, but i don't like having too. Trump has dealt with that kind of game all his life, knows it well. While I've never seen or met Trump, I have done business with and know a local billionaire who knows him, and has done business with him. He's also tough, but strait as an arrow to do business with. His comments about Trump pretty much support what I'm saying here.

Forgot to ask- How many businesses have you created that give you any background for your perspective??

Some people sit in their recliner drinking beer and watching a game they have never actually played on TV, but always know exactly what the players should have done.

 

Yes, perhaps not.

When my wife and I got married, we moved into an apartment building in Long Beach, CA. We got to know another young couple, and it turned out my wife's grandparents and his grandparents were great friends in Canton, Missouri.

You never know.

 

Propaganda Alert!

There has been a worldwide race to develop covid vaccines. You make it sound like the Orange Oaf you helped inflict on the country was behind the effort.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Most businesses fail because they're undercapitalized or poorly managed.

https://www.fundera.com/blog/what-percentage-of-small-businesses-fail

Trump is a crook who uses limited liability to stiff creditors.

Why you support Trump?

 

Then what was the point of you bringing up Trump pardoning his kids? Man, you guys just seem to make things up and then start believing them.