GOP Congresswoman Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    Wow. You really dont know revelations?
     
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    It can cost up to $4000 for the courses
     
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    was referring to conversions. one needs to pay a rabbi for the conversion.
     
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    proof for what?

    Ignorance is not bliss, you should read more, no excuses. Israel will not allow thousands of black jews in ethiopia to return to israel because the ethiopians are widely regarded in white jewish european circles to not be real jews. that is why netenyahu is leaving them stranded.
    theyve had to take it to court to prove they are jews because they face discrimination and accusations of being fake jews by white european jewish organizations.

    However, some have continued to question or refuse to recognize members of the community as Jewish, sparking accusations of racism. In 2018, a kosher winery faced an angry backlash after it emerged that it was not allowing Ethiopian workers to touch the wine because of fears they were not Jewish, which would make the wine not kosher. https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-s...forces-ruling-that-ethiopian-jews-are-jewish/
     
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    No you don't.
     
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    Each of the eight courses cost $150. This fee must be paid before you can be given access to the learning units. You will also need to purchase your books, which will cost about $75. There is also a $300 fee that must be paid for the Bet Din (Rabbi) to oversee your conversion. This makes the total fee $1500 + books.

    https://simshalom.com/






    There is a modest charge for people who aren’t Menorah members to attend the Access Course and Siddur Hebrew classes.

    The cost of Brit Milah (circumcision) is met by the candidate. The cost for this procedure can vary significantly. We may be able to recommend details of mohels who would discuss the procedure and any costs with you.

    In addition the Beit Din charges a fee, available at time of enquiry. You would need to pay for your fares to London and any accommodation if you decide to stay overnight.

    Menorah never wishes to exclude people from membership of the community or from learning due to cost, so if these fees are problematic we are happy to discuss them.

    https://menorah.org.uk/
     
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    Not where I live. Here you've to demonstrate that you know what judaism is and that you know the Torah. You've to be circumsize if your not or give a single drop of blood if you already are to represenyt the symbolism of the circumsizion.

    You linked to an online religious university BTW...
     
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    There has been much written – including a cover story in this newspaper (Canadian Jewish News) two weeks ago – regarding the placing of hidden cameras in the Washington mikva, and I have little to add to this tragic story. However, there is one aspect of the fallout that I would like to address. In light of this scandal, there has been much discussion on how conversions can be made more user-friendly. It is specifically this group that is most vulnerable to abuse, and even in the best of cases, the process of conversion is not an easy one. It is for this reason that the Torah placed so much emphasis on treating the convert with the utmost of sensitivity. The imperative to be “nice” to the ger - meaning both a stranger and a convert - is mentioned no fewer than 36 times in the Torah. While traditionally, those who sought to convert were initially given a hard time, such was done to ensure their seriousness and commitment to Judaism. But once assured (as well as humanly possible) of their sincerity, they are to be wholeheartedly embraced. Rejecting a convert is to be done for religious reasons only. The idea of accepting or rejecting converts based on their financial status would seem to be sacrilegious. But with the cost of Jewish life such as it is, financial considerations enter the confusing calculus of the conversion process.

    Rabbi Zvi Romm, administrator of the Rabbinical Council of America’s New York Beit Din, noted, “One of the considerations we make [regarding potential converts] is, can the person hack it financially? If a person says I have no money whatsoever, I can’t afford the $400 fee paid out over time, the question you have to ask is, how are you going to make it as an Orthodox Jew?”

    What is most tragic about this comment is its truth. Living a committed Jewish life – be it Orthodox or not – is exceedingly expensive with its kosher food, synagogue membership, ritual items, housing in a Jewish neighborhood and the exorbitant costs of a day school education. For good reason, all Orthodox and many non-Orthodox rabbis will insist that a potential convert agree to send their children to a Jewish day school, the single greatest predictor of future Jewish engagement.

    Yet perhaps it is most irresponsible to convert someone who will be unable to afford such, leading to much familial strain. What happens when the non-Jewish spouse and children of an intermarried couple convert and cannot afford the $250,000 that a day school education costs per child? Must we tell such a couple to forego conversion unless and until Jewish education becomes most affordable for the middle and lower middle class? If so, it might be a long wait. Morris Zbar, the new president and CEO of UJA Jewish Federation of Greater Toronto, was quoted in the Canadian Jewish News as saying that Federation “will never be able to provide the kind of funding that allows for open access. But we have to try to find a creative solution to keep costs capped”.

    It is painful for me to write these words; how dare I suggest that perhaps we have no right to convert the non-Jewish spouse of an intermarried couple? But we surely have no right to welcome anyone into the Jewish community without being brutally honest about the high costs that their new life will bring. How sad that in an era of unprecedented wealth and unprecedented assimilation, we as a community have priced so many Jews out of Judaism.

    Yet it need not be this way. We must mobilize as a community to ensure that all who want to partake of Jewish life be enabled to do so fully regardless of their financial means. This is a task that will take hard work and many people working together. But it is a task where we can and must succeed.

    https://www.torahinmotion.org/
     
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    delete
     
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    And as I said, you linked to an online religious university, and not to what the conversion cost.
    You either did this willingly or you're just trolling at this point.
     
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    goodbye
     
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    Thanks! Of course I'll continue commenting on your silly post and debunking your nonsense at will!
     
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    Can we just agree that this is crazy whether or not the whole anti-semitic angle is included? If she had said it was the Chinese, it would still be bonkers as ****, right?
     
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    If she said the chinese? Yeah... But if she says it's the lizard people, then all bets are off!
     
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    Those crafty ****ers
     
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    I've just ordered my special pair of lizrad folks detecting glasses by mailling 2,500 Bazooka gum wrappers from ACME... Wait and see my friend, wait and see...
     
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    The GOP would be ALL OVER Biden if he said this.
    But in this case, the shame is on the GOP ... again.


    Sucks to be a right winger.
     
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    Your arguments would be more effective with proper punctuation and capitalization.
     
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    Remember the racist republican loon who said this?

    Sick eh?
     
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    if iwas looking for likes iwouldnt be taking an anti racist stance, especially on an american forum!
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? The ashekenazi jews are only a few centuries old?
    I'm afraid you have no clue about the history of the jews. How totally unsurprising.

    The "iberian" jews or Sephardic Jews and the Ashkenazi (european) jews were the same people until some moved into the france and the rhineland while others remained in Iberia and northern africa until 1492 when they were expelled by Isabella and Ferdinand. The Ashkenazi adopted their own "germanic" rituals differing from the sephardics - a parallel to catholic/protestant schism only not as dramatic.

    The Ashkenazi migrated into eastern europe and the slavic lands after the crusades and then in in the 17th century began migrating west again.

    I suggest you educate yourself since the intellectual foundation of your animus is built upon historical nonsense not fact.
     
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    the iberian jews and white jewish europeans, aka ashkenazi are a two distinct people. they have no relation other than they both call themselves jews. white jewish europeans are a modern invention from eastern europe and are not descended from Israel. the iberian jews are the direct lineal descendants of judah.
     
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    Please provide a link.

    Put up or please try condescending somewhere else. Can you supply a reference, please.

    quite aside, you are correct. the depth of my biblical knowledge is limited. about the same as the average "christian" I have encountered since growing up in a WASP community in WASP province in a 85% WASP nation the rest being WASRC in the 50's.
     
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    . . . the descendants of Judah ARE descendants of Israel
     
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