Time to punish CCP?

Let me stop you there.
This thread is to expose the CCP because we're acting like they're above accountability for this.
I love Chinese culture, real Chinese culture.
That why my heart aches for the silent majority robbed of a voice who feel it's a cover up by the CCP but say so only in private, an oppressed mass.

When are they ever going to vote out the CCP?
Never, that's when, so when CCP wittingly or unwittingly unleashes a deadly virus, if they buy up the world, who's going to bring them to account for this?

I think it's time to investigate the CCP for both virus and cover up to collect evidence to charge the CCP for this, and make them account for everything, from research to release to cover up to suppression, all of it.
I believe we should be compensated and CCP should be stripped of certain abilities such as germ warfare if proven a crime against humanity and the CCP should be made answerable to an independent body of an international and domestic community foreign to the CCP (so democratic opposition in PRC) to make them answerable to somebody lest crimes against humanity and people in China not getting any happier go unchecked.
There's a reason why slavery is allowed, because it's not an international slave trade, but an internal policy of the CCP. I think we should write a new book and throw it them and investigate crimes against humanity.

 

I'll say the same thing to you i said to him. You don't know the origin and neither do I. But my guess is based on common sense. Yours is based, apparently, on a need defend China. And I'm not a Trumpist.

 

CCP remain innocent until proven guilty.

When is the time to investigate this.

 

I don't need to defend anyone, but I do have the American love of justice, and will defend anyone I see being accused of something without evidence, which you just admitted to doing.

The very thing you have just said you are doing yourself is why countries are often secretive about epidemics within their borders and why we have this pandemic now.

 

Well I'm a fan of due process too.
So I guess the time to punish CCP is not yet.

We need a fair an unbiased body though.
And...
We need more access than CCP would permit.
And...
This is a health emergency that the future needs to know about.

 

So we should go to war with China? Because I see no other way of doing even half of what you suggest

The Chinese people do not have the ability to "vote out" their government. Like our own conservatives, they don't believe in Democracy

 

CCP are not going to like it my peaceful solution of just busting down the door and interview everybody and using otherwise classified information to see exactly what happened and why.
We need to get evidence of course and present this to the UN.
That's my peaceful solution, just do it anyway and demand the CCP comply since, y'know, Covid-19.

I guess they won't allow investigation, so, we need to gather evidence that they're preventing investigation and take that to the UN and get permission to research this and take evidence out of PRC and study it somewhere else, UK or America or wherever so we can pour over the data and investigate it ourselves.

 

"Busting down the door" doesn't sound like a peaceful solution to me.

Why don't we reestablish the cooperative relations we had with the Chinese virologists under the Obama administration and then put back in the worldwide protocols we had established to prevent pandemics back when we were fighting SARS and Ebola. If Trump had not decided these programs were not "America First" enough for him and dismantled them in 2017 we wouldn't have this pandemic today.

Diseases, like the often heroic doctors who fight them, are completely without borders

 

It's more peaceful than regime change.

We need to work with those willing to stand up to the CCP to get to what the CCP are hiding.
And we need to bring them to account if found guilty of malice or negligence so they're not going to want to cooperate because of propaganda used by the CCP says they know what they're doing when the truth might mean they don't - and any penalties incurred.

 

It's just another way of saying we should go to war, like regime change is.

Keep in mind that China could ruin our credit on world markets simply by refusing to any longer use the dollar as their reserve currency, which many other nations would then have no other choice but to do as well, which would have the effect of making most of our several trillion dollar National debt instantly due and payable

 

not sure why this is still going on. all the well known cornavirus expert already said its not man made. remember when trump try to pin the virus as man made, many expert from CDC/national institute of allergy and infectious diseases etc etc said its not man made. even the CIA agree there is no evidence. i'm pretty sure these organization has the mean/resource/expertise to know its man made or not. but if ppl want to belief some tabloid news, go ahead. until someone like CDC/NIAID etc said it is, then all these talk about man made just another conspiracy theory in the pile of conspiracy theories. China even has its own conspiracy theory said it was from virginia viral lab, then pass on to china around oct, 2019 during the world military exercise etc, its just that a conspiracy theory

 

So you think because CCP own the world that that makes them immune from justice?

Surely then you'd support a move to nullify them, to freeze their accounts so they no longer owned debt, so if they made any move against the dollar that'll mean nothing.

You could solve this debt problem by writing it off and not recognising it anymore.


How can we be afraid to China if we suddenly stopped worrying about their money?

 

If China was to stop accepting dollars in payment many other countries would be forced to follow suit. Do you have access to several trillion dollars worth of gold at today's prices? It's much much more than we have and several times what is known to exist in the world.

We might be able to write off China but it would be another thing altogether to write off the entire world. The Great Depression would look like a child's lemonade stand closing up.

 

thats bit naive thinking, if it were that easy trump would already done so. the debt china hold is no difference than whats in ur 401k. a 100$ bill is 100$ bill doesn't matter who holds it.

2nd default debt means, our credit rating will drop to the bottom, basically no one gonna buy T-bill anymore. just like individual, credit rating is very important. now imagine if you credit rating is really bad, how hard is it to borrow $$ to buy house. even if some bank willing to loan, the interest rate will be very high. a high interest rate affect entire US economy.

furthermore, we pay paper to china for their goods. my opinion printing paper is cheaper than actual goods. also sudden default means, where do we get all the product from etc etc? after all supply chain take decades to form. it also mean dramatic increase in tension that can lead to war.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/should-u-s-refuse-pay-back-its-1-trillion-debt-n1227351

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...y-we-cant-cancel-us-debt-held-by-china-787277

 

Ain't gonna happen with China Joe in charge..if anything, we should be thanking the Chinese that it wasn't an even worse virus, like walking dead or 28 days later style virus..Also, they will own America within 10 years so it be smart if you didn't say bad things about our future Chinese masters on a place like the internet where it will stay FOREVER

 

i still remember trump saying something about china ZTE losing jobs etc

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanba...dollars-to-u-s-tech-industry/?sh=72fde62216c8

 

Part of the compensation sought from CCP would be used to pay our industries back, not just in America, but in Britain too.
If China owned the debt, the Covid-19 relief package should be used to shrink that debt.
Remember; CCP virus is not only killing lives, it's killing aviation, hospility and the arts.
Also, the CCP owe every family whom lost somebody and everyone whom tested postitve for Covid-19 forced to self isolate and miss work.

The £ or $ the CCP owe the world in damages should be factored into this debt they own since they should owe us if found guilty.

Forget about the old pre Covid-19 ideas that CCP own our debt until we factor in how much Covid-19 cost us, because if found liable, CCP ought to pay that money back and compensate us for our losses when talking about 'who owes who money'.
We have to factor that in, the cost of Covid-19.

 

None of our business. Try to convince the nation to withdraw from any economic relationship with China. That, at least, will provide some protection from them. Too late to do anything about Covid.

 

That is an excellent idea that in theory could be combined with putting the corrupt leadership of the CCP into the concentration camps and releasing the Falun Gong, the Uighurs, Christians and other political prisoners to be housed in the White Elephant Cities that China has built to make her economy appear to be much more strong and stable than it actually was.

Two hundred million semi-reality science fiction acting jobs................ is a lot of high paying careers!


Artistic Hollywood style "Armageddon" could bring world out of recession?!

 

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The origin of the virus is unknown at this point. How do you propose ending the CCP?

 

I agree. If we want to avoid a virus like this again, we need to do 2 things:

1. Remove the CCP.
2. Remove all dangerous viruses from labs around the world. These scientists should be taken to task for the danger that their research represents to us all

 

Well a start would be for world leaders to actually blame them for this.

 

I disagree that we shouldn't punish them yet. They restricted access to Wuhan for a year, and they forever foreclosed any investigation into the lab by international scientists. With all the death and economic devastation, this one action is enough to strongly condemn them

 

You do realize who the POTUS is right? Buy the time 2024 rolls around we may all be speak Chinese.