"the gun just went off"

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  1. Rampart

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    another one yesterday. a 5 year old shot his 3 year old sister. "the gun just went off."

    a friend of mine was shot by a deputy sheriff in a bar. "the gun just went off"

    "i was cleaning my gun and it just went off." too bad his wife was in the way.

    do these unloaded guns know when they are pointed at inconvenient persons and pick that time to "just go off."

    sorry, it is not "lib'rals" who think you guys need safety classes and insurance to own a gun. the guns seem to think so.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

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    In the US, the most insanely gun-obsessed nation in the world, there are 120.5 guns in possession per 100 people. The next closest is Canada with 34.7. As a consequence, gun murders per 100K in the US is 3.4, and .6 in second place Canada. Japan is at the bottom of the list for developed countries I'm referencing (I tried posting the charts but the data does not show up) with 0.3 and 0 respectively.

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    How about posting the stats of murders in the USA with guns vs knives.
    We are blessed that so many of our citizens are armed.
    I have owned firearms all my life and have never seen one "go off".
     
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    Correction, gun deaths, not gun murders. Most gun deaths result from suicide. Accidents are in second place. Murders are a fairly small minority.
     
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    Guns dont "just go off" any more than cars just start their self.
    Why do some anti gunners think guns are magical, with a will of their own? It's an inanimate machine, having no volition of it's own.
     
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    If only these guns could talk they'd tell you what else they're thinking or at least tell you the full story.

    They'd say: "But you left a round in my chamber, I simply functioned as I was made to function, you dummy."

    In the many decades that I have fired and handled a very wide variety of firearms both in and out of military service, I have never had a gun simply "go off".

    By the same token, I never point a gun at anyone or anything I don't want destroyed even though I have occasionally been ridiculed for being "too safe" or "obsessive".

    When handing a firearm, I simply assume that it could go off at any time even though I know that it's empty and have checked the chamber at least once.
     
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    We need to find a way to make it harder for people who abuse firearms to get them without hampering the ability of good gun owners to have their guns. It is long past time to put aside emotions (on both sides of the issue) and talk about what we might do.
     
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    Or, we could just give everyone in America a fully automatic weapon with a really large magazine. Encourage everyone to settle their differences with their guns. They can hand them out on the street corner, so one is always handy when someone needs one. Teach preschoolers the fine art of shooting and give them their own little guns to chase away the bad guys with.
     
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    Do they teach such hysterics and silliness in the utopia of boulder?
     
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    I told my gun to behave and it does.
     
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    Oh please! Not another "developed countries" ruse.

    A popular deception among gun banners and hoplophobes is to cherry pick a few countries around the world with low gun deaths and then fabricate a vague classification such as "developed countries" and then claim that America is among this class of entirely dissimilar countries.

    This particular scam is build entirely on false comparisons because the US is not at all like the countries they have cherry picked.

    These false comparisons simply "... ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense"(1)

    It is far more honest to compare America to the rest of the world even though no other country has anything like our 2nd Amendment.

    There are about 55 countries around the world with the strictest gun laws in the world and far higher homicide rates than the US(2).
    Certainly, some of these countries are as different from the US as Norway and Japan are but gun ownership resulted in a greater number of homicides, then there wouldn't be 55 countries with such higher homicide rates.

    Briefly put, if draconian gun laws resulted in fewer homicides, then the US with its 2nd Amendment would be in the top 5 countries with homicides but it's not so stricter gun laws are not the answer to America's homicide problem.

    One of the many differences between the US and these so called "developed countries" is that the "developed countries" have far more accessible mental health care and mental health follow up. That is how we address America's homicide problem, not through additional gun laws that are ignored by criminals anyway.





    (1) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
    https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

    EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

    The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

    Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina. Such assertions ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense"CONTINUED


    (2) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings
     
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    The chart I used referred to gun murders. The gun death number would be higher.
     
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    I see. Your chart wasn't readable.
     
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    What they don't ignore is per capita gun ownership and gun deaths which are the only pertinent numbers.
     
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    1. Treat every weapon as if it was loaded.
    2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
    3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
    4. Keep the weapon on safe until you are ready to fire.

    These are the firearms safety rules we teach every soldier at basic training. If you follow these 4 rules, I promise you your weapon will never “just go off”. Not unless we have been banished to an alternate dimension where physics and chemistry no longer apply.
     
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    please copy "the gun went off by itself" and paste on the search line of your favorite search engine. the result will be thousands of stories of guns claimed to think for themselves by their "responsible" gun owners.
     
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    No, there are many more factors to consider before you conclude that gun ownership is responsible for higher homicide rates.

    Russia has a much higher homicide rate than the US.

    Do you really think that the average Russian citizen owns more guns than the average American?


    "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings
     
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    Never say never.
     
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    True. It’s dumbass gun owners who shoot off guns they assumed were not loaded. Can’t fix stupid. Those gun owners give the rest of us responsible gun owners a bad name and give fuel to the anti-gunners.
     
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    This will be the norm now with the gun hating DNC and their sensationalist MSNBCNN.. They will dig up and air every gun story that can find, but for the intelligent watchers it just so obviously a Democrat President again ;)
     
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    Here is the obvious ;)

    How many did you read about last year and how much gun bullshit have your heard of in just the last three months... Now ask yourself "WHAT HAS CHANGED"

    So obviously agenda driven "I CARE NOW" DNC conmen and there propaganda news outlets..
     
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    He followed rule 1 and 2 and nobody got hurt.
     
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    You can also be sure that MSM will continue to censor the innumerable stories of guns actually saving lives or preventing violent assaults.

    "Unpublished CDC Study Confirms over 2 Million Annual Defensive Gun Uses"
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/

    EXCERPT "Now, a CDC study conducted on data from 1996, 1997, and 1998 has been uncovered. The study, which was never released to the public, shows approximately 2.46 million DGUs per year."CONTINUED
     
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