6-year-old boy dies after being shot during road rage incident

Again? Dodge? Have we met in a previous life?

Anyone who believes that they can Constitutionally restrict the right to bear arms does not have an 'open mind'. An open mind understands what the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment says, and finds a way to work within the Right.

Use of the phrase 'open mind' means 'agree with me'. Compromise is a different animal on most topics, but the 2nd Amendment is rather clear. The fact that there have been allowances made through the years, does not mean they will continue, and since some groups feel that once they get a toe in the door, they can do what they want. It doesn't work that way on this subject.

 

At least your honest about your ignorance.

Effective at defense. Not every firearm owner is an aggressor. Matter of fact, most firearm owners are defenders, so why would you support taking that away?

 

Um, yeah.

At Least 84 Dead After Truck Crashes Into Crowd in Nice, France

 

All law abiding citizens that legally own guns know that shooting at a car because they cut you off is a crime and should be prosecuted as such. There is no right to randomly shoot people because your pissed. If the person was responding to shots being fired at them, then it would be a different story.

 

Funny that you quote this attack.

Do you know how many public security measures the French state took after the Nice attack?

Concrete blocks in the streets, uniformed soldiers for a year in public places, reinforcement of security barriers, ban on trucks near outdoor events etc...

In the US, a guy can massacre 58 people in a nightclub or 27 children in an elementary school, absolutely nothing is done.

The gun lobby has become the enemy of public safety.

That's the difference.

Because with a gun, it's very easy for an honest citizen to turn into a mass murderer.

That's why.

 

And yet, France did not ban semi trucks. The point being, just because you take the tool away, you still don't remove the motive. There is always a way to kill a mass amount of people.

As I've stated time and time again, quit looking at the tool and look at what is causing people to have zero empathy and want to kill a bunch of people! There is an empirical link to mass shooting (or attacks for that matter) and psychotropic drugs. Closing of mental institution was a travesty to our society and we are now reaping what we have sowed.

Mass Shootings Likely Linked to Psychiatric Meds

 

How many, what percentage of overall gun owners have made that ethical and moral leap? What was the mental status at the time it happened? Mass shooters are a fraction of one percent of gun owners. So it's not common by any stretch of the imagination, it's highly unlikely and only in the minds of those who want to disarm other people for their own ends would such a statement hold a teaspoon of truth.

Once they use a firearm to harm other humans, they are no longer an honest citizen, now are they?

 

Do you believe that for every problem there is a perfect consequence free solution that must be centrally enforced? I'm here to tell you that has never been true. To think that "absolutely nothing is done" is fallacy. Lots of things are done by lots of individuals in response to negative consequences. Night clubs and night club attendees react and make changes to their behavior. Do you think no night clubs made changes to their security policies after 58 people die in an attack? School districts and students react and make changes to their behavior. Do you think no changes to school policy happened after Sandy Hook?

Your premise is based in the idea that behavior can and should be centrally controlled. It can't be. Behavior is individual. Individual behavior is customized to individuals. Centralized control of behavior applies equally to everyone. Even the negative consequences of that centralized control. When you attempt to control behavior in a way that impacts individuals negatively, they are going to do what's best for them, no matter what policy you think is best for everyone. This is because no policy can be best for everyone.

I don't think I've ever seen a lower opinion of society. Maybe you should move to an island. Do you believe there are any legitimate reasons to own a weapon? Is it just firearms that drive people crazy, or do all weapons do that?

 

Waiting for Joe Biden to come up with the original idea that it is wrong to kill 6 year olds and we should have laws against it.

 

If only we could control everyone to behave like we want them to: said every society right before it collapsed into an impoverished dictatorship.

 

No, because unlike guns, trucks were not specifically designed to kill.

But when trucks are used as a weapon, the state is acting for the safety of the population.

Really?

Then how come mass murderers in the US use a gun the vast majority of the time?

 

It doesn't matter.

Guns are so available and powerful that one single gunman can kill 50 people.

Nowhere else in the world is such a situation tolerated.

 

It’s NOT tolerated here either. Do you know how many murders we could eliminate if we just removed certain demographics from the country, yet we “tolerate” it? Solutions can be really easy if you don’t have to care about the consequences. China has that luxury and can just remove people or control whoever they want whenever they want. It’s a bit more complicated here. Just depends on who’s freedoms you’re going to remove and which laws you want to rewrite.

 

I think you intentionally avoided addressing the elephant in the room on your rebuttal. We have a mental health crisis in this nation as well as around the world and all we are doing is chemically castrating the emotions of these people versus actually fixing them. Like you mentioned, other nations have removed firearms from society, yet, mass killings are still occurring. The UK is now trying to ban knives rather than identify and fix the real issue... Mental health!!

UK judge calls for ban on pointed kitchen knives to reduce stabbing deaths

 

You know, I had a much longer reply set up, but I am tired of trying to argue with a rock .

My idea is to REDUCE the frequency and severity of mass murders by making them cost more to the murderer, in time, resources, and personal danger. Yes, some will still happen, that is life .

Your idea is to give everyone guns and leave it up to them to decide when they feel fearful enough to use them. In a country where police, whom are supposed to be brave, already shoot unarmed people out of fear for their life. A country where so many people are apparently afraid of people with different skin color, dress, actions, etc. You want to trust THEIR judgement with human life.

You are a whole lot more trusting than I am.

Regardless, it's only a matter of time before tighter restrictions go into place, IMO. As long as the murder weapon continues to be a gun.

You have proven you can't FORCE people to change. You can only slow them down.

 

There are crazy people everywhere in the world and there will always be.

But, the easiest place for a lunatic to get a gun in the West is in the US.

 

Stephen Paddock, Adam Lanza, Nikolas Kruz, Devin Patrick Kelley, Patrick Wood Crusius and Dylann Roof are part of which demographics to get rid of?

 

the flip side of that same coin is the US is the easiest place to defend yourself from those crazy people trying to kill you.

 

When it comes to murder, the number one offender is government and the vast majority of victims are unarmed. Why aren't they killing each other in Switzerland? Why did you leave El Salvador, Honduras, and Venezuela off your list? They have tough gun laws. Guns don't make people suicidal or violent. Many pharm products list "suicidal thoughts or actions" as side effects and Americans are consuming record levels of these products. Show me a person who places little to no value on their own life and I will show you someone who values no life.

Gun control is not from a position of concern for human life.

 

If that were true, the US would have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.

Which is very far from being the case.

In fact, the US has one of the worst rates among the G20 countries.

 

Because they are poor countries.

Unless you also consider the US as a third world country, you have to compare apples with apples.

That's true, but with a gun, a depressed or crazy person can easily realize his murderous desires.

 

DO you realize that starting a discussion with a false premise cannot be taken seriously? There is no direct solution to this. People have been killing each other for thousands of years and it's not about to stop. This is not an either/or situation.

 

true the democrats have created a real mess with the gang problems they have in their cities.. (most homicides are gang related)

 

So the laws that exist don't work, according to your statement, and you want to enact more, on the basis that they will work?

No where else in the world does the US Constitution exist either, or a country that came into being in the same way and for the same reasons. Different laws exist in different parts of the world, not all of them acceptable to all societies. here, it would require an Amendment to the US Constitution to change it, and to change that particular one, which exists for a very clear reason, it would be highly unlikely to get the ratifications you seek.

 

Really?

You think that when a mentally ill person machine-guns 51 people in a New Zealand mosque nothing is done about it?

That the Government and the people just sit back and accept the inevitability of the situation?

The only place in the world where nothing is done about gun violence is in the US.