Biden to unveil new "plan" to stop Delta variant on Thursday.

As far as Biden forcing Federal employees to take experimental medicine, I have one observation.

During the Bush administration, Bush created DHS and moved many employees from other agencies, (Treasury, DOJ, Independent, etc.) into DHS. He then attempted to change employment rules and remove merit protection for the Civil Service employees in the newly created DHS. What neither he nor his advisors grasped at the time, is that some Federal employees are members of powerful unions. In particularly the Treasury Employees Union, which took the Bush administration to court. A couple of years of court battles and Bush did an "el foldo". So there is a lesson here for Biden. His executive orders regarding Vaccinations for Federal employees are going to be shot down in Federal court. Leaving him looking more impotent than he already looks.

https://www.goiam.org/uncategorized/bush-administration-strikes-out-on-nsps/
The Bush administration struck out swinging at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Defense (DoD) on its attempt to implement sweeping new personnel rules in a blatant attempt to gut collective bargaining rights and strip civil service protections for hundreds of thousands of federal workers.

In separate court decisions in suits brought by a coalition of federal sector unions, federal judges have ruled sections of the new personnel rules at DHS and the National Security Personnel System (NSPS) at DoD violate collective bargaining rights and are illegal. That stopped the new rules for workers whose jobs are covered by union contracts, but allows them for non-union workers.

At DHS, the Bush administration has fought the court ruling but lost in a federal appeals court. DHS just announced it was abandoning a further appeal to the Supreme Court. “This is a great victory for federal workers,” said IAM Government Employees Director Frank Carelli. “The IAM and NFFE Federal District 1, including NFFE FD 1 President Rick Brown and General Counsel Susan Grundmann, were key players with the National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) to stop these unfair personnel rules.”

A similar court ruling covering DoD union-represented workers has stopped NSPS, but the Bush administration has not yet given up its appeal. Federal sector unions succeeded in convincing Congress to block funding for portions of NSPS that the court found illegal. The measure was passed by both the Senate and House and survived a Defense Appropriations Conference Report, which is expected to win final approval by Congress before its next recess.

 

Nope. Bullshit. You're doing the RW thing of misrepresenting (also referred to as a "strawman"). I said you didn't include a link.

I'm not interested in doing your research to prove your assumptions. Do it yourself.

You're right. That REALLY IS "out on a limb". I'll even call it "ridiculous". And since you identify it as wild speculation, why even post it?

There's that strawman again. I never said "only". You seem to have trouble debating honestly. But your CDC link referred to "conditions in the places where people live, learn, work, play, and worship affect a wide range of health risks and outcomes, such as COVID-19 infection, severe illness, and death." That explanation makes sense to me. I wonder why you didn't mention that.

Lucky. About 2% die. How many do you know? I don't know ANYONE who got COVID. They're all democrats.

 

LOL!! Let 'em try. I'll bet you're wrong.

 

Federal government employees are also mandated to get the vaccine.

Why has Biden exempted the Post Office ?

Because lots of minorities [especially blacks] are employed by the US Postal Service.

Last I heard, around 60% of blacks have [smartly] declined to take the government's toxic covid vaccine.

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The elephant in the room is that you rarely post links to go with your snips... is there some reason for that??? Getting your numbers from a Mike Lindell run website??

I have disgust in my heart for anybody refusing to get vaccinated at this point... regardless of color, gender, religion, education, weight, height, shoe size or preferred model of lawn mower (I'm a Honda guy)...

 

Can you provide anything other than the NYPost to confirm that? I cannot...

Nevermind... found it via a real news source, although behind a paywall I can beat...

Strange, that one... I assume the reason will be coming forward on that, but I don't see a global exemption for the USPS

 

True.

 

Impfungen Macht Frei!

 

I saw it on TV news earlier tonight..

The PO has a strong union that has objected to Biden's previous vaccine mandates... so the PO has been previously exempted.

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So you are vaccinated, as am I. If vaccinations work, why is it any concern of yours what others do? That's what I don't get. The only disgust I feel is for those telling others what to inject in their body. Also, those that would shame others for their own personal choices.

Funny.....I don't believe in abortion because it involves a second life. That aside, I always hear the pro abortionists screaming ""my body my choice!" or "it is a decision between a women and her doctor". When it comes to vaccinations, you'd think you would hear the same argument, but the pro aborts are silent.

Regardless, this division O'Biden is promoting between vaxed and unvaxed is going to be the beginning of the end of his regime. Thousands upon thousands have enjoyed the government ride working for it. They love the security and freedom it gives. Now many will resent this freedom of choice being eliminated. Just watch!

 

Well, that's crap, but as you said, it's not new to today.......

At least the USPS has a mask mandate, but it's not enough...

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/work...ndate-sees-uptick-in-employees-in-quarantine/

I think it's also now appropriate to point out who the Postmaster General still is...

 

It is about control. Plain and simple. Most liberals had a tough time growing up. They were the last boys picked for the football team and last girls asked to the dance. It is either that or serious mommy daddy issues. Liberals have a complex. Once they have power over people they can't resist. It's basic psychology. Nothing more oppressive than a liberal with power.

 

Why would you think you'd hear the same argument when the situations are completely different??.... Our country facing a pandemic that experts say can be slowed or stopped faster with safe mass vaccinations isn't even in the same ballpark as a woman choosing a personal medical option that impacts nobody...

Really? That's your argument?? MKay....

 

So I guess you don't want any protection? Because as opposed to 0%, an N95 mask when well sealed can filter out up to 98% of coronaviruses. And there are many that are comfortable. So if you're wearing a mask anyway (neck gaiter), why not wear a better one?

 

You think these Federal unions are going to do nothing if Federal employees are fired for not getting a Covid shot?

I guess we will see.

 

Nothing more oppressive than a liberal with power. = Sums it up perfectly !

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Jobs are like food, not everyone gets them.


-Joseph Stalin Biden

 

Union postal employees work under conditions established by contract. Biden cannot suddenly declare these contracts null and void.

For most Executive Branch agencies a great amount work is outsourced in accordance with OMB Circular A-76 issued under Raegan. To require these contractors to be vaccinated would likely require termination of existing contracts under the provision listed below and then re-competing new contracts. Something that on a large scale would be undoable.

52.249-2 Termination for Convenience of the Government
The Government may terminate performance of work under this contract in whole or, from time to time, in part if the Contracting Officer determines that a termination is in the Government’s interest. The Contracting Officer shall terminate by delivering to the Contractor a Notice of Termination specifying the extent of termination and the effective date.

 

Biden's speech was frighteningly authoritarian. It's almost as if he is trying to get Trump re-elected in 2024.

 

The experts don't even account for natural immunity....they sell vaccinations.
The experts have been all over the map and the Administration makes things up and lies. Said he'd never do a mandate.....now he does a mandate. Says there is no danger that Kabul will fall, it falls.
The twisted logic used to end life in the uterus is practical in this instance. If the vaccine works how does it put vaccinated people at risk? According to ly'in Joe, it does!
Your personal medical option affects the unborn. At one time, you were unborn.

 

Precisely why they become "American Marxists". Marx showed them how to get there but couldn't help them once they get control. Bunch of babies!

 

What about the FDA-approved vaccine is experimental? What about the 90% efficacy rate is "experimental"?

 

It's us vaccinated folks who should not have to tolerate anti-vax *****. They're prolonging the pandemic and giving COVID breathing room to morph into new variants. We'd all be back to normal by now if everyone were vaccinated. People would be working again. Hospitals wouldn't be losing billions forgoing elective surgeries to treat anti-vax *****, most of whom don't even have insurance that will cover their full stay.

Anti-vax ***** are choosing not to get the vaccine out of spite for people smarter than they are. ****ing despicable.

 

Bro. Would you mind telling me what the risk profile for heart disease, cancer, infertility, autoimmune disorders or ANY of the thousands of complications are within 2, 5, 10, 15 and 20 years of taking an mRNA vaccine?

And if you can’t, then on WHAT GROUNDS can you assert its safe or that everyone should take it?

Furthermore, your assertion covid would be over if everyone got the vaccine is preposterous given that you can still catch it after taking the vaccine.

 

after some thought I'm for the federal government worker vaccine mandate

hear me out

there is over 2 million federal employees and if we use the national average of those vaccinated which is at 73% meaning 27% are not
that is 540,000 of federal employees that probably are not vaccinated
ok lets say the mandate forces half of those 540,000 to get vaccinated that leaves us with 270,000 that wont get vaccinated there for fired
that would be the largest reduction of the federal government ever
I can get behind that