Biden’s Mandatory Vaccines Or Weekly Tests, as an OSHA Rule, Will Be Shot Down In Court.

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    OSHA has no granted authority to mandate medical care to an entire working class of Americans. This will fall flat in court. They can’t target a whole working class like this.
     
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    Can you buy a car without seat belts?
     
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    Can people die of an allergic reaction to seat belts?
     
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    The bottom line is OSHA has mandated vaccines for workers but as far as I know it’s only in the medical field. This I am sure is outside of their designed and historical scope. It will never win a court battle
     
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    Time will tell. OSHA's intent is to provide you a safe environment to work in. Wouldn't COVID free be considered contributing to safety by reasonable people?
     
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    It might get shot down, but I'm sure the calculation Joe is making is that it will take a while before it is litigated and rises to the SCOTUS, and, in the meantime, he figures he can get a handle on the pandemic.
     
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    They can require ppe, engineered prevention measures, and administrative procedures in the workplace but not medical procedures. The scope of medical procedures extends beyond the workplace. Ppe can be removed when you go home. Medical procedures effect your body and you cannot undo it when you go into the privacy of your home.
     
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    No. No amount of vaccination rate will ever get rid of covid. The best thing to do is to get vaccinated to protect yourself. But i by no means think the government should force it.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Which company manufactures a car without seat belts?
     
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    I suspect you are correct.

    I think people should get the vaccine, but I do not support the Govt forcing employers to force their employees to get it. This is beyond the scope of the Govt at any level.
     
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    You are correct, COVID will never go away, the goal has to be to get it to be no less dangerous than the annual flu. The vaccine will go a long way towards doing that.
     
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    My wife tells me the harder they push the more she digs in. I think that’s the typical Americans response to stuff like this
     
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    I'm sure there will be an exemption for medical reasons. That's how the mandate works at our university. Roughly 5% of students have an exemption, the other 95% are vaccinated.

    Second, if you don't want the vaccine, get tested once a week. I haven't heard of anyone dying or getting sick from taking the test.

    So, despite the RW trying to paint this as an authoritarian power grab, people will have options. Just like with the seat belt mandate. if you don't like wearing a seat belt, don't drive.
     
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    It’s intent is clearly authoritarian in nature. It’s also outside of OSHA’s historical scope. Your college can do it. It’s legal for companies to do. Nowhere in the constitution does it grant the federal government authority for this. It will be shot down. I would bet a paycheck on it
     
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    "Biden’s Mandatory Vaccines Or Weekly Tests, as an OSHA Rule, Will Be Shot Down In Court."

    Then Biden will pass a new rule that allowed unharmed 3rd parties to sue corps that do not do what he says, following the example republicans set up in TX

    Republicans like big daddy government choosing for them, they should love this law
     
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    are you against TX choosing for women too?

    I agree with you, but most Republicans like big daddy government choosing for people
     
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    yes, many republicans see getting the VAX as helping the current President, they do not want the pandemic to end
     
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    Yes, I am very much against the new Texas law. I made that pretty clear in the threads about it
     
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    Silliest post in the thread.
     
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    Another not talked about part of this is we do not have the capacity to test them all weekly. That is waht the VA was supposed to be doing with those who choose not to get it and there just is not the system in place to test that many people weekly.
     
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    Correction, choosing for the life of the child.
     
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    Why is that? The same basic thing was said about the Dems prior to the 2020 election. In fact I bet if I looked I could find you making that claim about the Dems.
     
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    Amazing how willing people are to go authoritarian over the fear mongering.
     
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    Go for it.
     
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