Gen. Lee statue can be removed, Virginia Supreme Court rules

They seceded first. They were no longer States of the United States. THEN they formed another country and called themselves the Confederate States.

 

Yes, it was. South Carolina could have left the Union by federal legislation. It didn't.

 

It was no longer a U.S. Harbor it was and always was a state harbor, the United States does not own nor exert control over that harbor then or now. The CSA had not declared war on the United States nor attempting to overthrow the United States government, they were not traitors then nor have they ever been in history as ordered by the President and the Congress, your inflammatory fallacious remarks do not trump that historical fact.

 

An Amazing number of the Federal Troops came to truly revere General Robert Lee.

 

No it was. It had left the Union, had informed the United States and that it would act accordingly. Lincoln attempt to invade the harbor, SC territorial waters, in an attempt to blockade. An act of war.

 

No, they didn't secede because they didn't ask Congress for permission.

They were traitors. They deserved what they got.


Charleston

 

No such thing. Plus, they compounded their criminality by demanding the Fort be returned to them PRIOR to negotiation. Even President Buchanan rejected that demand.

 

The attempt to “peacefully provision” Fort Sumter included four warships with 39 guns, four troop transports and landing craft and over 1200 military personnel, 500 of which were intended to be landed as reinforcements? This was very obviously something much more than an attempt to “peacefully provision” a garrison.

 

Many were erected during Jim Crow as a "message" to black people that whites were running the show.

 

It was overthrowing the federal government in South Carolina.

 

I guess you don't know anything about Virginia.

 

Doesn't matter...the Confederacy, to which South Carolina belonged illegally, fired first.

 

Missouri GOP lawmaker suggests Lincoln Memorial should come down after Robert E. Lee statue is removed in Richmond

Hell yeah, lets tear down the Lincoln Memorial, tit for tat for taken down the Robert E Lee statue?!! and while we are at it lets replace Lincoln on the $5 bill, with Trump too?!!

A GOP Missouri state representative appeared to suggest the statue of former President Abraham Lincoln at the Lincoln Memorial should be removed if statues of "reprehensible" people, like Confederate General Robert E. Lee, were taken down.

"If we insist on tearing down statues of reprehensible people, let's at least be fair and balanced about it," Missouri State Rep. Tony Lovasco said in a tweet Thursday. Lovasco attached to the tweet a photo of the statue of Lincoln seen at the forefront of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC.

The tweet was in a response to a video that showed the large statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee atop a horse being removed in Richmond, Virginia, earlier this week. The 12-ton statue was the largest remaining statue honoring the Confederacy in the US and was ordered removed by Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, as Insider previously reported.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-...163057494.html

 

Too long. Way too long.

Cultural Marxists?

Martyrdom for white Christians? Hardly.

I don't think so.

Total nonsense. Most Americans couldn't tell you ten things about Marxism. They don't promulgate Marxist ideology.

 

Well, Lee did have a Black brother that he supported.

 

You see, I was right. No valid historical facts offered. I knew it was a waste of time attempting a debate.

Here is a historic fact: the South attempted to secede and failed at a terrible cost in blood, for which they are totally responsible.

Removing statues and other symbols of the rebellion is completely warranted especially given that many of these symbols are now used to promote such things as white supremacy and the KKK.
Yes, Lee was an excellent military commander, but for a fatally flawed and downright evil cause.

 

What kind off a country do you think the CSA would be in 2021? How many slaves do you think you would own?

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What's all the tearing down BS? Statues should go up or down legally. That includes statues that may soon be taken down by a vote of the government responsible for overseeing the situation.

 

U.S. Grant in his memoirs on Robert E. Lee at Appomattox:

"What General Lee's feelings were I do not know. As he was a man of much dignity, with an impassable face, it was impossible to say whether he felt inwardly glad that the end had finally come, or felt sad over the result, and was too manly to show it. Whatever his feelings, they were entirely concealed from my observation; but my own feelings, which had been quite jubilant on the receipt of his letter, were sad and depressed. I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse. I do not question, however, the sincerity of the great mass of those who were opposed to us."​

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2001.05.0019%3Achapter%3D67

Robert E. Lee betrayed his country. You can put up a statue to a traitor, but it won't be with my blessing.

He doesn't merit a place of honor in the town square where I live. You are, of course, entitled to have him in you

 

You can guess all you want and still be incorrect!

 

"you people"?

 

Have no idea.
As many as you.

 

Because of the higher loyality to his state, his county, his city, his neighbors, his family and to himself. He was a Virginian FIRST as it was back then. He would have been a traitor had he joined and led the Army hell bent on the destruction of his state, his county, his city, his neighbors, his family.

 

the right seems to be switching from they remind us of our evil past so we do not repeat it ... to they heroic figures that are celebrated, heroic Confederate statues

which is it guys, make up your minds

 

Didn't have to the seceded they did not join a confederation with another country or state as a STATE, they were no longer a state. Their secession was and act entirely on their own as a state. The states separated seceded. THEN they formed the CSA. The provisions you are speaking of apply to states joining it confederation as US states, like the ill-thought out National Popular Vote where some states are forming a confederation to act in a certain manner.

And thanks for showing what Southerners were defending against and are honored for, you prove my point.