Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

The list reminds me of the worlds smallest violin playing hearts and flowers. You think those things are at the same level of sick as torturing, tearing the body and murdering an unborn baby? I'm not sorry that I won't be joining you in that ridiculous pitty party of excuses. As a woman, you approve a man to have sex with you, you are knowingly taking the risk of becoming pregnant. You must accept the risk of becoming pregnant as you would getting VD. But, the baby is not a disease. It's a person. So, responsibly deal with the baby, have it and if you don't want it, give to a heterosexual couple who do want a child. No reason to kill a human being.
I'm not telling them to do anything. I'm saying based on their good or evil choice, there should be consequences. So, choose the right. If you are going to choose the wrong and be a whore, then have the appropriate birth control measures that does not include abortion. All these lists of red herrings serve to do is obscure the correct decision if a woman becomes pregnant. There is my teaching moment to you from God.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Her "tenant" IS causing her harm:
Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
LOL, that is what REALLY bothers you , isn't it...women enjoying sex....and they do A LOT.... without YOU
Who TF are YOU to tell women what to do??? Meanwhile they do exactly as they please

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OH, trust me, I didn't expect YOU to care what women suffer...I know that THOSE humans will get nothing but hate from you.

Oh, the EMOTIONS!!!!

No, that isn't on the same level as your childish "torturing, tearing the body and murdering an unborn baby" since that doesn't happen..

No, it is not and YOU have NEVER proven it is.....how many fetuses have SSNs? Are tax deductions?

ANSWER THIS: WHO TF do you think you are that YOU dictate to everyone else what "responsibility" entails?

ANSWER THAT....NO other Anti-Choicer has had the guts to answer that

Misogyny and homophobia all rolled in to one....

There's the MISOGYNY ...never very far under the surface


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LOL! THAT answers this :

WHO TF do you think you are that YOU dictate to everyone else what "responsibility" entails?

The answer seems to be "God"...

 

The woman chose to get pregnant. So, I'm more interested in the suffering and death of the unborn children who were innocent and brutally torn from the womb of their landlords, their mothers. And, for you to say this isn't how it happens is ignorant. It most certainly the way fetuses die by the hands of their captures. And, I say these things with authority of Jesus Christ, our Lord.
And, wow! You learned a couple of new words. Big deal...

 

The only thing worth responding to since you obviously have no clue how abortions are done is the idea a woman isn't choosing to get pregnant when having sex. Actually, the only time this would be the case is if she has had a full and complete Hysterectomy. And, since we are debating abortion, this would not be the case. The women would have the capability and knowledge they can get pregnant if they participate in sexual intercourse. Bye the mere act of sexual intercourse, the woman is choosing to get pregnant. If she can block this from happening, it is called birth control. This can be accomplished with the pill, morning after pill, condoms... But, they are not all 100% effective. So, the women is still engaged in choosing to have a baby even if the opportunity is a small one. The only way to 100% not get pregnant is to not have sexual intercourse. That is a choice not to have a baby. Anything else is a choice to have a baby whether one comes or not.

Here's an interesting statement online about the surgical procedure. "inject a numbing medication into or near your cervix. stretch the opening of your cervix with a series of dilating rods. insert a thin tube through your cervix into your uterus. use a combination of medical tools and a suction device to gently take the pregnancy tissue out of your uterus." Pregnancy tissue??? No, BABY!!! Pregnancy tissue. How stupid. "Lord, I was having a great career so I just had some pregnancy tissue removed so I could keep on making $100,000 a year. I hope that is okay?" And, did you see all the side effects using an abortion pill? Some worse than just keeping the baby. Such knuckleheads! Instead, women can just have the babies and put them up for adoption. Better yet, don't have sex. They don't deserve it.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Her "tenant" IS causing her harm:
OH, trust me, I didn't expect YOU to care what women suffer...I know that THOSE humans will get nothing but hate from you.
Oh, the EMOTIONS!!!!
No, that isn't on the same level as your childish "torturing, tearing the body and murdering an unborn baby" since that doesn't happen..
No, it is not and YOU have NEVER proven it is.....how many fetuses have SSNs? Are tax deductions?
ANSWER THIS: WHO TF do you think you are that YOU dictate to everyone else what "responsibility" entails?
ANSWER THAT....NO other Anti-Choicer has had the guts to answer that
Misogyny and homophobia all rolled in to one....
There's the MISOGYNY ...never very far under the surface
LOL! THAT answers this :
No woman can CHOOSE to get pregnant ....a woman could have sex a hundred times ,each time "choosing to get pregnant and yet, NOT get pregnant.
Get a book on biology.
A woman can no more choose to get pregnant than she can choose not to get pregnant...
That's verrrry dramatic but not factual ...just Anti-Choicer's imagination working overtime when they have no factual responses.
Did you nmean "captors" ? and what captors are these? Who captures fetuses?? LOLOLOL>...
Gee, hard to argue with one who thinks he's God....
Don't worry, I don't expect YOU to.....

FoxHastings said: ↑
Her "tenant" IS causing her harm:
OH, trust me, I didn't expect YOU to care what women suffer...I know that THOSE humans will get nothing but hate from you.
Oh, the EMOTIONS!!!!
No, that isn't on the same level as your childish "torturing, tearing the body and murdering an unborn baby" since that doesn't happen..
No, it is not and YOU have NEVER proven it is.....how many fetuses have SSNs? Are tax deductions?
ANSWER THIS: WHO TF do you think you are that YOU dictate to everyone else what "responsibility" entails?
ANSWER THAT....NO other Anti-Choicer has had the guts to answer that
Misogyny and homophobia all rolled in to one....
There's the MISOGYNY ...never very far under the surface
LOL! THAT answers this :
No woman can CHOOSE to get pregnant ....a woman could have sex a hundred times ,each time "choosing to get pregnant and yet, NOT get pregnant.
Get a book on biology.
A woman can no more choose to get pregnant than she can choose not to get pregnant...
That's verrrry dramatic but not factual ...just Anti-Choicer's imagination working overtime when they have no factual responses.
Did you mean "captors" ? and what captors are these? Who captures fetuses?? LOLOLOL>...
Gee, hard to argue with one who thinks he's God.... BUT CAN'T SPELL and doesn't know that there are different words for things that are DIFFERENT LOL













Does God know you've taken over for him ?
.. Hey , when ya go top bed tonight think of all those women out there having lotsa HOT FUN sex ......NONE of whom care what you think......

 

Does God know you've taken over for him ?
.. Hey , when ya go top bed tonight think of all those women out there having lotsa HOT FUN sex ......NONE of whom care what you think......[/QUOTE]

I haven't taken over for him. He's given me his authority to teach and preach his doctrines and commandments. I forgive anyone and then teach that there is a better way when they mess up.
As far as those whores you are talking about, they don't care what you think either. But, if I can reach them with the gospel of Jesus Christ, I will make that effort to save them and to save their aborted tenants.
I wonder what you think of Joe Talibiden's belief he can order you to let the Federal Government squirt vaccines into you sidestepping the Constitution behaving like a Marxist dictator. Do you agree with him? If you do, then you won't have any disagreement of a President or U.S. Supreme Court to stop plucking out children before they are born then. Both issues are basically the same with respect to one controlling their own bodies.

 

Oh? And when did this hap[pen and where are your witnesses and proof....or did it come to you in a dream? LOL



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They don't care if you forgive them....and YOU forgiving anyone isn't necessary at all...

Those who can't, teach

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NO, I didn't call women whores that was YOU who called women whores ...

No, they don't....why TF should they??? UNLIKE YOU I never claimed they had to think like I do.

Shrug...so go stand on a street corner and preach...

YUPPERS! I agree we should all be vaccinated against measles, TB, small pox, Covid, and any other dangerous transmittable disease that can kill people......any decent person would be for saving PEOPLE'S lives...

NOPE, not the same thing at all....abortion only affects ONE person, the pregnant one.


And for pete's sake learn how to quote....I had to piece your mess together with baling wire...

 

Yep, the same thing. Forcing people is forcing people. And, no, abortion affects the baby, the father and others in society. It's a sickness that has caused calamities in the world today. Murder affects everyone. If Talibiden can dictate all MUST be vaccinated against their will, then any president can dictate women must have their babies. You might be surprised that it's not mandatory to have childhood vaccinations. But, give Democrats time and they will. Marxists!

 

You have speech rights, but you aren't preaching.

Where is this "gospel" you claim is what is motivating you?

Where does Jesus say you can use the force of government and personal action to prevent someone from "sin"?

Jesus faced those who sinned according to his understanding (which you must admit would need to be pretty solid). Where did he use or demand that others use force against them?

NO, you don't do that.

You toss in ad hom against the president, call those who enjoy sex "whores", make ridiculous statements about the SCOTUS, say totally ridiculous nonsense about Marxist dictatorship, toss in absolute nonsense about healthcare, etc., etc.

Not ONCE do you try to present reasons you may have for forcing your will on the lives of others - in general OR specific to this topic.


How come you have to present absolute crap in a totally hostile manner, INSTEAD of preaching???

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
YUPPERS! I agree we should all be vaccinated against measles, TB, small pox, Covid, and any other dangerous transmittable disease that can kill people......any decent person would be for saving PEOPLE'S lives...
NOPE, not the same thing at all....abortion only affects ONE person, the pregnant one.

There is no "baby" involved in abortion.

HOW????

Abortion is not a sickness and hasn't caused any calamities...

Yup, murder of PEOPLE causes chaos in society....abortion affects no one but the woman who has one.

There is no logic whatsoever in that statement....the Taliban is ALL about controlling women...just like Anti-Choicers

And they should....but I think they are mandatory or one's germ laden child doesn't go to school..

Does saying "Marxist" help you feel better? because it has no other meaning in this debate..
You sure had to CHERRY PICK that post LOLOL....

 

I just want to point out that our government forces a HUGE amount of action on our part.

There are laws against driving drunk, for example. (But, there are also laws about seat belts, and about the engineering of pretty much every single bit of an automobile - plus documentation requirements, licensing of drivers, insurance coverage, etc.)

Why should I be prevented from risking your life by drinking, but allowed to risk your life by refusing to abide by COVID regulations?

 

Enjoy some truth bombs.

 

And this has been the success of the so called “pro life” movement - they have implanted a false image in many peoples minds

 

All to punish women for having sex......How sick is that?

 

Abby Johnson"""" I am a Texan.

I am a woman.
I am a mother "..............

(....and I don't care if in the future women are forced to have sex against their will and forced to have abortions because, as a woman I despise myself and realize I am nothing more than a brood sow with no rights.... a mere slave for men.......)

 

Those are emotional Drama Queen opinions which are needed when one has no facts...

 

OK, I already had very little (if any) respect for your opinions (or actually, your lies), and now you're quoting Tucker... LOL. The biggest liar on TV.

Of course the "mandate" is not inconsistent with your "my body, my choice" argument because the "mandate" has an easy opt-out built into it, namely, that people can simply be tested once a week if they don't want the shot; also, this is a "condition for employment" measure only, through OSHA; people are not forced to work at places that fall under this "mandate" and nobody is pinning them down and sticking them with a needle against their will. Also, there are medical and religious exemptions.

The baseline line is, you don't want the vaccine? Cool. Get tested once a week. You are not happy with even that? Cool. Resign and go work for someone else who has less than 100 employees and won't be subject to this rule.

The funny thing with all this partisan uproar is that vaccine mandates have always existed under both Republican and Democrat administrations, and even in much stricter terms, including in red states. Many healthcare facilities for example require the yearly flu shot with no testing opt-out. If the person doesn't want the flu shot, then, tough, they'll just get fired. Most schools private or public require a large number of vaccines for enrollment. Some states, like red state Mississippi, don't even have a parental opt-out or exemptions... In Mississippi, it's simple: either you produce proof of vaccination, or you don't get to enroll in school, period. Also, if you want to travel to a yellow fever-infested country, you're mandated to get the yellow fever vaccine or else you won't even get a visa.

All 50 American states have state government-issued vaccine requirements for school enrollment. ALL of them, and that of course includes red states with Republican governors.

So the hypocrisy is actually not the White House's or the Democrat's... but rather, the GOP's. If they are so against a Covid-19 vaccine "mandate" - even though it is not even a true mandate given the opt-out - then why don't they revoke the long list of other vaccines that those states mandate in many situations, some of them even without any opt-out? What exactly is the difference?

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This said, I'm against mandates. I think the White House's "mandate" will backfire and just make people angry and they'll dig their heels more; also, the easy opt-out means that it won't even accomplish much and is rather toothless.

I know of a business with about 1,200 employees, in which about 300 did not accept the shot. Then the "mandate" came down (even before the White House issued theirs). Do you know how many of the 300 then accepted the shot? 2. That's right, freaking two. 80 of them claimed exemptions, medical or religious (and got them granted) and the other 218 simply opted out by testing.

I favor honey rather than vinegar. I think the best way to convince the vaccine-hesitant to accept the vaccine, is for their trusted professionals like their primary care docs or family docs or nurse practitioners, to have a one-on-one conversation with them, respectful and non-judgmental, with the goal of dispelling myths and conspiracy theories about the vaccines. No, they don't alter your DNA. No, they don't make you infertile or magnetic. No, they don't contain a microchip. No, ivermectin is not a viable alternative to the vaccines. No, the vaccines are not useless just because some 8% of new cases are among vaccinated people (still a tiny fraction of the total number of vaccinated people); while they don't always prevent you from getting the virus, they do make it much milder and shorter and you'll be highly unlikely to be hospitalized or to die; no, they are not killing thousands; actually the death rate from the vaccine is 0.0000123% while the case-fatality rate for the virus in the United States is 1.6%, so the vaccine is exactly 130,081 times less dangerous than the virus. Not to forget that the bulk of the death toll from the vaccines is from the AstraZeneca shot that isn't even approved here so, just considering the mRNA vaccines we have here, this number would be even bigger. Also not to forget that except for these very very very very very rare vaccine-caused deaths (I mean, it is zero until the fifth decimal point! A "very" for each zero to the left of the first digit that is not zero!), vaccine side effects are typically transient and go away in at most 72 hours, while the virus can give you long Covid for months and at least 20% of people who survive it, come out of it with one or more organs damaged by the virus.

 

Really?

Women will never be "free" until there are laws against their choices regarding their own bodies???

Does that sound even slightly rational to you?

 

Do you support the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime nor has expressed any desire to die?

 

You are aware that Biden is attempting to eliminate that opt-out for federal workers, are you not?
(He already issued the "order")

Not only that, but from what I've been reading there may not even be enough capacity to be able to test all those workers once a week. It might be adding an impractical expense.

 

100% in the case abortion. While I believe the act itself is wrong, allowing my beliefs to be forced on others by the government is far more dangerous for society.

If you could outlaw abortion, how would you enforce the law?

 

If we went by the pictures, then somewhere between 11 to 16 weeks is where the line would/should probably be drawn.


Btw, here's what it looks like at 9 weeks
https://flo.health/uploads/media/sulu-1230x-inset/08/1388-week9.jpg?v=2-0&inline=1

 

This issue is NOT about pictures.

The pictures shown on this page so far have been posted in order to refute what amount to lies.

 

That doesn't even make sense when you think about it.
It sounds like you are holding some obvious double standards. Okay for your side to use pictures for evidence but not the other side?

 

another anti-vaxxer has passed, sad, so preventable

"Anti-Mask Florida Official Dies of COVID—and Takes GOP Software Secrets With Him"

https://news.yahoo.com/anti-mask-florida-official-dies-183000205.html

"Gregg Prentice, who was 61, led the Hillsborough County Election Integrity Committee—and his sudden death has sent the local GOP scrambling as it no longer has access to essential campaign finance software without his help."