Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

FreshAir, you certainly have a way of posting things that are likely to lead to threads being derailed.

You do realize there is no way for anyone to respond and argue with what you posted, without making the thread quickly go off topic into a very long separate discussion.

This has been pointed out to you many times before. So I have to believe it is intentional.

 

it was his body, his choice

democrats have not abandoned that, we are pro-choice

 

And I believe women should be allowed to choose anytime they are not choosing for someone else (i.e. when they're not pregnant).

 

But
Well the Federal Government does have control over federal workers, duh... So for that, there will be fewer opportunities to sue in court and make a case. Yeah, obviously, Biden wants people to get vaccinated rather than tested. But still, there are exemptions.

 

How would you feel if all federal workers had to bow down to a golden statue of Trump, and kiss it's feet, and engage in group public prayer?
Also no federal workers would be allowed to get abortions.

See how disingenuous that type of argument is?

 

still her body, her choice

 

To remind women who have abortions that they are killing their children.

 

No, the point is that at 6 weeks there is no way to tell if bringing that embryo to full term is even a possibility.

And, even the incredible photography we have at our disposal today doesn't solve that.

 

No, I don't. As usual, you're over-dramatic, over-the-top, and slippery-slope-y. The Federal Government has the right to set conditions of employment for federal workers, duh (like any other employer). You're not happy with that? Then don't work for the Federal Government. Simple. Nobody is forcing anybody to work for the Feds. You generally have to voluntarily apply for a federal job, if you qualify.

And who do you think you're fooling? (Nobody; we all know what you post). If the Federal Government were doing the opposite, that is, banning vaccines for federal workers, you'd be salivating and singing high praise.

 

I take it from your comment you believe that vaccinated persons never die of COVID.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
All to punish women for having sex......How sick is that?

Why? Women who have abortions know they are killing their ZEF....or do you assume they are too stupid ??


Only a sick twisted mind wants to punish women for having sex.

 

That's a goofy sentence but YOU want to choose for someone else....but don't want women to do that...gee, wonder why you don't want women to do what you feel free to do...

 

No, I don’t presume women are stupid at all. I just think some women are really traumatized by having an abortion, wishing they had a chance to go back and do things differently.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
All to punish women for having sex......How sick is that?



Why? Women who have abortions know they are killing their ZEF....or do you assume they are too stupid ??


Only a sick twisted mind wants to punish women for having sex.

Some women may be but the majority feel relief.

Yes, some decisions we make in life we may regret, that applies to any and every decision.

That doesn't mean we should lose the right to make our own decisions.

Some women are traumatized by giving birth...did you want to stop them from doing that?

Some women would be traumatized by being forced to gestate....did you want that to happen????

 

How many people can die/get infected by woman performing abortion?

How many people can die/get infected by a not vaccinated person?

 

An abortion necessarily kills one.

One person not being vaccinated is statistically likely to kill less than one person.

If we were only counting those under the age of 60, probably a couple thousand would need to be vaccinated to even save one life.

 

A fetus is NOT a person.

There is no question about that.

 

Gee, now could you answer the questions he actually asked ?

zalekbloom said: ↑
How many people can die/get infected by woman performing abortion?

How many people can die/get infected by a not vaccinated person?

 

Well, I suppose she could have triplets, so I'm going to answer 3.

By the way, I'm pretty sure an abortion is statistically more likely to kill 3 or more fetuses than not being vaccinated is likely to directly result in 3 or more people dying. Which is to say not a very high probability.
You're familiar with game theory, aren't you, FoxHastings? Multiply the probabilities times the extent of what the risk would cause.
A 1% chance of 100 people dying is equivalent to a 100% chance of 1 person dying, for example.
I think mathematics would tell us abotion is far more deadly.

 

But isn't that a separate argument in the overall abortion debate?

Yes, obviously if the life being killed in abortion were not a person then all other Pro-Life arguments would be rendered a moot point.

Anyway, let's try to stick to one issue at a time, shall we?

 

Forcing them to be injected with a new type of vaccine, which in rare cases could cause life-long health problems, is not taking it too far?

This is as bad as the military taking away free speech rights from members while they are off-duty or retired. (another thread about that in this forum)

If you claim they have the "right" to do this, then you are only proving the Right right, when they claim there are too many government workers and that when such a large percentage of the workforce are employed by government it gives government too much control.
There are 2 million federal workers.


Do you think the federal government should also have the right to tell employees they are not allowed to get abortions?

 

I think you're desperately twisting your self in knots to prove you have nothing....

Oh, and not all women abort triplets...did you think they did??

Abortion ONLY affects ONE person, the pregnant one so your triplet theory is crap.

 

You are not capable of understanding how vaccination statistically affects less than one person?

 

Why? Because you became confused and thought you could win a point on the fairy tale that fetuses are people??

 

You are not capable of understanding that abortion only affects one person (?), the pregnant one...there is NO other person.