Democrats bill to allow abortion during labor

Is making ad hom attacks your MO of posting.
Where have I said I ever want to kill babies. Why can't you post honestly?

 

You missed the point. The idea that they could be good or bad is irrelevant. It's like saying einstein killed hundreds of geniuses because he didn't maximize the number of kids he had. Potential isn't actual. A pre-viable fetus has no mind and therefore is not yet an actual person.

 

I am posting honestly. Your post was made specifically in response to my comment condemning abortion practices. Was your post not intended to counter the intent of my post?

 

My post only stated that kids of poor families don't all grow up to be the type of people you claimed they become. They can grow up to be criminals.
So if your reason poor people should not get abortions is because they can have kids who do good things falls flat on it's face because they all don't grow up to be good people.

I made no comment on killing babies. So that is very dishonest on your part.

 

But, it's not irrelevant. A few making comments here justify killing a baby in the womb because it might be born into poverty, and/or violence. Well, poverty and violence has been part of the human existence since Adam and Eve, yet we've managed to create lives very much worth living despite poverty and violence. Are we planning to eliminate poverty and violence in the world sometime soon so we can go back to having babies again?

 

Do you even read what you're posting?

NOT killing babies in the womb does not require justification, killing babies in the womb does. In fact, this thread is absolutely packed this attempts to justify the killing.

 

Those less than 1% of american covid deaths are not the main issue either. Probably have obesity defects. Who cares.

 

I do read what I post. And I never ever said I support killing babies. You made that up and now won't even admit you made it up.
That is not being honest at all.

 

That wasn’t a personal you, it wasn’t directed to an individual. It was collective, generalized you. A very common use of the term. If you took it as a personal attack, I’m sorry.

 

The crux is still personhood. Their point was probably that forcing continued pregnancy is exacerbating poverty. But if it were a person, and not a mindless fetus, the right of a person to live WOULD take priority.

 

My first sentence in this thread conveyed that the way the op presented it, that would be taking it too far. A lethal birth defect, however, means that the baby has only brief suffering to look forward to before death, so it's more like euthanasia in those cases. Mercy killing. Another contentious issue, but not quite the same issue as what abortions rights people worry about

 

BS - the you used from you, was not a collective you. You did an all out ad hom attack.

 

I realize that the issue abortion or not abortion is difficult because it is a conflict of rights. And I don’t want government to interfere in the decision, I’m not supportive of restrictive abortion laws. We will never eliminate abortions, but I’d like to see social changes based on changing minds. We live in a very selfish culture, with greater value put on rights than on responsibilities. We need to become a more moral, responsible society, a society that values human life.

 

We'd have to find which one. It could make it harder for those that want the abortion. I forgot to mention that Missouri also borders Texas, but not much.

 

Here I started a thread on it and then could not remember which state! Lols!
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...minalises-abortion-in-landmark-ruling.592036/

 

I know someone who more or less had this procedure. It was pretty sad situation. The baby had some profound issues and its spine was still on the outside of the body as the delivery date approached. The doctors had wanted to abort the baby earlier but the mother refused. It wasn't until the baby was about to be due that she consented as the doctors told her that if she went into labor and the baby came before they could set up a C-Section it would kill her and either way, the baby, if it even survived delivery, wouldn't live more than a few hours and be in in extreme, unmanageable pain.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ab...cross-us-protest-restrictive-laws-2021-10-02/
A lot of protests happened not only in Texas state capital but in places like Washington DC, Jackson, MS, Chicago, IL and even in San Francisco, CA,. To name a few places just to be heard. It's not going to stop either. So what happens next?

 

Unless the government want to turn loose their Cossacks, they’d be wise to start listening to the people.

 

WHO is not having babies???? Anyone can have a baby ...what are you talking about?

 

Just a figure of speech. I was thinking of P.D. James’ dystopian work “Children of Men,”

 

A "figure of speech ? No, it looked more like a erroneous statement.

 

So you think that after 10,000 years humans will magically change ?

 

No "baby" is killed in the womb in abortion.

And , NO, no one is using poverty as a justification for abortion.

Women's right to bodily autonomy is the justification.

Poverty is a reason.

 

Figure of speech.