Religion is Silly Fairy Tales

You got it right only up to the word "entertainment", the rest is all wrong. I don't debate, I discuss and that's the only purpose to this topic of DISCUSSION.

 

Theism and Atheism (Church of No God) share the exact same logical framework. The framework is that they are all initial circular arguments with other arguments stemming from them. Let's examine them both individually:

THEISM: The initial circular argument is: "God(s) exist". That belief is the basis for any other theistic claim.

ATHEISM (Church of No God): The initial circular argument is: "God(s) DO NOT exist". That belief is the basis for any other atheistic (Church of No God) claims.

Neither of those beliefs can be proven true or false (they are unfalsifiable theories), and any attempt to do so commits the circular argument fallacy. Thus, they forever remain as circular arguments, accepted or rejected on a faith (and supporting evidence) basis.

 

There is plenty of supporting evidence for the existence of a god or gods.

** The Holy Bible
** The Koran
** Existence of life
** Existence of billions of self identifying Christians
** The degree of intricacy of the universe and life within it (suggests intelligent design)

That's just a few.


And faith is not "wishful thinking"... Faith, rather, is a word for the acceptance of a circular argument as True.

 

Actually, you CAN prove a negative and you CAN prove non-existence, and it is a rather easy thing to do, so long as the negative you are attempting to prove is within a closed set.

For instance, if you have 10 red marbles, 8 blue marbles, and 2 yellow marbles inside of a bag, then I can prove the non-existence of white marbles inside of the bag. How so, you ask? I can simply pull out all 20 marbles from that bag and show you that none of them are white. Simple as that.

However, if the negative you are attempting to prove is within an open set, such as every single species that has ever existed throughout all of history, then it is not possible to prove a negative. Any attempt to do so leads to committing the Argument of Ignorance Fallacy.

This is why past unobserved events are not falsifiable, and why science has no theories about past unobserved events. This is why any belief or disbelief in God is a purely religious belief, devoid of any science. Same with the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution. Now, evolution itself happens all the time, and some of it even happens naturally, but the theory that current life evolved from more primitive life is not falsifiable. It is an open set. We do not have access to "all the marbles"...

 

Ironically, one only needs one of those marbles to know that God is real.

 

LOL - You're debating me right now.

How's your Sisyphean task working for you? Who have you convinced to renounce God and religion, or what you assert to be "nonsensical propaganda", "fairy tales" and "a tool used by the few to control the gullible masses"?

 

I disagree. Faith is the EVIDENCE of things hoped for and the SUBSTANCE of things not seen. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

 

I unfortunately have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

can't say it any other way.

 

Your post reminds me of one of the more memorable passages from Boris Pasternak's Doctor Zhivago, Injeun.

This is a quote from a conversation between the protagonist's uncle Nikolai, a former priest, and his friend Ivan. What makes Nikolai so interesting is that Pasternak used that character as a literary device throughout the novel to express his own personal views and opinions. I think you might enjoy reading this:

"What you don't understand is that it is possible to be an atheist, it is possible not to know if God exists or why He should, and yet to believe that man does not live in a state of nature but in history, and that history as we know it began with Christ, it was founded by Him on the Gospels. Now what is history? Its beginning is that of the systematic work devoted to the solution of the enigma of death, so that death may eventually be overcome. This why people write symphonies, and why they discover mathematical infinity and electromagnetic waves. Now, you can't advance in this direction without a certain upsurge of spirit. You can't make such discoveries without spiritual equipment, and for this, everything necessary has been given us in the Gospels. What is it? Firstly, the love of one's neighbor - the supreme form of living energy. Once it fills the heart of man it has to overflow and spend itself. And secondly, the two concepts which are the main part of the make-up of modern man - without them he is inconceivable - the ideas of free personality and of life regarded as sacrifice. Mind you, this is all new. There was no history in this sense in the classical world. There you had the blood and beastliness and cruelty and pock-marked Caligulas untouched by the suspicion that any man who enslaves others is inevitably second-rate. There you had the boastful and dead eternity of bronze monuments and marble columns. It was not until after the coming of Christ that time and man could breathe freely. It was not until after Him that men began to live in their posterity and ceased to die in ditches like dogs - instead they died at home, in history, at the height of the work they devoted to the conquest of death, being themselves dedicated to this aim."

 

That's an interesting way of putting it...

 

I think I might have some idea .. but, it is all wrong. Faith is not evidence for anything - other than belief in something without evidence .. belief in some dream .. of which has no substance .. and no proof in the pudding because there is no pudding to eat.

 

Evidence OF not evidence for.

 

Both For and Of .. Faith is not Evidence for anything .. other than it is evidence of / and for - belief in something without evidence.

Clear as NY snow for you now

 

I agree with you but we were looking for the shared features of Agnosticism, Theism and Atheism.

We can still observe the Big Bang in action today due to the time it takes for light to travel. We can see the state of the universe at the time just after the BB is theorized to have occurred.

He is quoting Hebrews 11:1
Personally I like to see the way it is translated in multiple versions.
https://biblehub.com/hebrews/11-1.htm

 

Will the sun rise in the morning?

 

https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these definitions. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.
While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. To put it in a more humorous way: If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

 

Theism, atheism, agnostic, nones, all take a religious 'position', no one is exempt from some kind of religion.

NeoAtheists get quite irrational in their attempts to be set themselves apart as different, they arent, only their belief system is different.

You can be ordained an atheist minister, and marry people conduct other religious ceremonies that the state recognizes.

These neoatheits are to the tune of 30 years behind the times.



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A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are capitalism, nationalism, nazism, fascism, communism, Maoism, Juche, progressivism, transhumanism, Religion of Humanity, Jacobinism and the Cult of Reason and the Cult of the Supreme Being that developed after the French Revolution.




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They are lying. They are denying the logic that I have presented.

 

You mean will the earth keep spinning Horrible analogy either way .. confusing reality with fantasy .. reality being that the Sun has risen every morning for the last 4 Billion years.... how many times did God Show up ?

Thing I will put my money on the Sun Rising in the morning mate .. ..

 

I don't know that I can agree with that definition. When you look at this from an Agnostic perspective, both theism and atheism can be considered beliefs that can't be proven one way or the other. For that reason, I think that Agnostics are the only ones who can stake an honest claim to not engaging in belief.

 

if you havent read stanford you should, they rip atheist.orgs [neo]atheology to shreds.

 

No.

 

That sounds like a warranted belief!

Don’t agnostics believe that the existence of gods can’t be proven?

 

I don't accept this even slightly.

Those who are atheists do NOT found their decisions or views based on the absence of a god.

Instead they look to other philosophy.

Atheism just means that God just doesn't happen to be part of it. There are plenty of other very positive sources of philosophy that are not a reaction to the god question.