Religion is Silly Fairy Tales

Very very few believe that the existence of god can be proven.

Even the Bible states that god must be accepted on faith.

Agnosticism describes the belief of an individual. And agnostic doesn't claim to hold an opinion on whether a god exists or not.

Frankly, I think most of agnosticism is pretty dang weak. I just don't understand that there could be some half assed middle ground in how one conducts their life.

My bet is that agnostics are pretty much ALL atheists, but just don't want to say so for social or other reasons.

 

Well, as an atheist I would point out that atheism is an ABSENCE of a particular belief, not a belief.

I have beliefs. It's just that God doesn't happen to be among them.

I know this is hard for theists, as they see the entire universe as based around their belief in a god. So, the absence of that belief seems like it has to be MUCH more than simply an absence. After all, God is their entire existence!

So, think about it this way: When I make a decision, do I appeal to a "NOT God"? Do I base my decisions on there NOT being a God?

Of course that would be STUPID. A "NOT God" doesn't inform me of anything at all. A "not god" is a total vacuum, a source of nothing, NOT a belief.

 

LOL - I see what you did there. Some imbecile you are.

I think, for the most part, Agnostics think that the existence of God/gods can't be proven or disproven. I also think there is merit to your suggestion that that could qualify as a belief, as well.

 

Its kind of like if you don’t play hockey we shouldn’t say that you are still an athlete anyway.

 

I don't believe that is quite it.

Christians believe that the existence of God can't be proven, and Christians are not agnostic.

 

Anyway for me I have noticed in my life that a lot of people just don’t care. They would rather watch TV or go skiing than sit around wondering if there is or isn’t gods.

To me, those are agnostics in common parlance. Atheists are people like me and Kokomojojo who need to analyze it all day. We know there is no hard evidence of a God and we don’t go to church or anything so we are Atheists. In common parlance anyway. It’s not like we joined a club.

You could almost create a category called “Agnostic Theist” to describe people like that.

 

Then you have evidence of things unseen? You haven't yet seen the sun rise in the morning.

 

The first 2 above are works of fiction, not evidence. The existence of billions of followers are not evidence of anything either. The remainder is circumstantial evidence that can be attributed to just about anything one wants to attribute it to (i.e. wishful thinking).

With some rare exceptions that I can't come up with offhand, faith is strictly wishful thinking.

I never said you can't prove a negative, re-read what you quoted for comprehension.

 

Call it what you you want if it makes you feel better but I don't debate. A debate is a game of sorts with a winner and a loser. If I wanted to play games I'd go to a gaming site, not a discussion forum. There are other debate forums identified as such. This one does not have the word "debate" in its title.

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. Maybe you simply don't understand what a discussion is.

 

I don't think faith is wishful thinking. But many....possibly including me. Are clothed in the armor of false belief. A person can't live without faith. Life is hopeless without it.

 

Yes, we can't really live with the notion that life is a hopeless endeavor.

The faith part came in as that is the only way the Bible provides for justifying a belief in God.

 

I agree with that last. The very idea that I could convince someone to stop believing in their god is preposterous - and quite possibly destructive.

There are positive aspects of religions and I think we CAN make progress by promoting those positive aspects of the various philosophies that are based on a god.

 

Yes it does, agnostics believe both atheists and theists are nuts and reject both premises.

We reject both the atheist and theist proposition as nonsense.

More atheist nonsense! Its extremely strong, it follows the scientific method precisely unlike atheists that hold their belief on faith alone.

Agnostic is not a middle ground, nonsense

Such foolishness, you think someone can reject a proposition and accept it at the same time eh?

Look in my atheist thread, there is a truth table there, that claim is noted as 'insane', works great to prove atheists are irrational though.

More nonsense, you need to read stanford and educate yourself on how foolish that claim is. etymology fallacy

True, and as a result reject both the atheist and theist proposition, ie neither believe nor disbelieve in God.

As an agnostic I can confirm has a ton of beliefs as I just said and a religion, its the knowledge that both sides defy scientific methods and are based in faith, hence we reject both both sides of the God argument as nonsense.

But Christians dont reject belief in God, they believe in God, agnostics do not disbelieve and they do not believe either. I know how difficult compound premises are for atheists

You know damn well I am not an atheist, what are you trying to do piss me off?

Yeh more insanity, reject and accept at the same time, Rational thinking at its finest

Yes atheism is faith based just like theism, agnositc is not faith based, its purely scientific

and its the only way atheists provide for disbelieving in God

 

I agree with all the above. Note I can't disagree with the first sentence even though I don't share it because it's strictly your opinion.

 

"Fairy tales" is inaccurate.

The bible is simply a dishonest take on real events.

Moses "met God" on top of mt Sinai.


Or Joshua and the Levites murdered Moses (death meaning you meet God) and replaced him with a Levite priest who needed 40 days to grow a beard....

All Egyptian construction workers at the time were clean shaven skinheads because of lice...

 

The problem with that are at least twofold:

1. There are many negative aspects of some religions and all too often the lines are blurred (see below).

2. Religion is mostly based on myths (i.e. silly fairy tales), fallacies, unproven claims, wishful thinking, etc. So that is what is being promoted to the followers.

The following is an extreme example of what religion can do to the unstable.

Bible-believing Man "Sacrifices" Five People in Texas

41-year-old Jason Allan Thornburg is very familiar with the Christian Bible. The Christian Bible often teaches about the importance God puts on sacrifices, including human sacrifices. In the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament believers are commanded to sacrifice to God everything from turtles and pigeons to lambs and bulls. The anonymous authors of the Christian Gospels claim Jesus taught his followers that the commands and laws in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament will remain in effect until, as Matthew 5:18 states, "heaven and earth pass" or until all is fulfilled, which would be the return of Jesus to earth. Since those things have not happened, the ungodly and cruel commands and laws in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament are, according to Jesus and the Christian Bible, still in effect. That would also include sacrifices, even though many Christians believe Jesus was God's final sacrifice.

Read the rest ...

https://www.opednews.com/articles/B...nson-Belief_God_People_People-211005-159.html

 

And how do you know any of these were even real events?

 

Everybody is figuring out the bogus atheist claim!

Here is another!

In the religious sense of the word, agnosticism means neither believing in nor disbelieving the existence of God. It's a middle ground. Religious agnostics say “We don't know whether there is a God or not; it cannot be known.” But that's only one of the ways the term agnosticism is used.Apr 7, 2017

In the general, non-religious sense, agnosticism means being undecided or uncommitted to a particular side of a debate or disagreement

What Is Agnosticism? | Grammarly Blog

All you agnostic-atheists and agnostic-theists got a copy on a snoot full of reality?

The only mistake they made above is it is not a middle ground, its summary rejection.

 

No mate .. I have seen it .. that is the difference here .. saw it yesterday .. day before that ... and so on .. and will see the same thing repeating tomorrow.

You have yet to have your first sighting ..

 

Learn to speak for yourself, and not for others. Here, repeat this in front of a mirror:

"Ironically, I only need one of those marbles to know that God is real."

Afterwards, please make that statement in writing in this thread to demonstrate your personal belief.

 

Probably for the most part .. I on the other hand think there is good evidence for God.. just not the God of Christianity.

 

Sorry but the truth applies to everyone. Whether or not one ascribes to, honors, or abides by it is another matter. IE: It is wrong for one to steal, rape, murder, lie, etc.

 

Oh gee you got me. You couldn’t demonstrate atheism was religion, so now you want to make it secular religion. Gee, I remember using this logic in fourth grade. It’s not working now. We’re suppose to be adults.

 

Be careful. You’ll sprain something patting yourself on the back…..for no reason.

 

Clearly I was not there, but Jews and Egyptians exist, and have history that jives.

Ramses never admitted what happened during the battle of kadesh, but historians note Egyptians and Hittites have the same recollection, that Ramses had a winning/dominant position and then sues for peace and runs home.

After he gets home, he puts 200 chariot soldiers to death... The ones who let the Israelites get away....