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Solving climate crisis will require a total transformation of global energy

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  1. Bowerbird

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    They are already installing iron flow batteries for peak storage in electrical grids
     
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    And their total output is what fraction of the total usage? Rust batteries is an interesting hypothesis. Now go calculate the land usage necessary to supply just the United states. The observation doesn't change.
     
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    :roll::roll::roll:
    Making tomorrow’s decisions on last century’s technology

    https://www.energy-storage.news/all...launches-configurable-megawatt-scale-product/

    https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/07/first-ess-iron-flow-battery-to-go-online-this-month/

    Oregon is investing in Iron Flow storage

    South Australia though is leading the world

    https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/
     
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    Why bother to read when someone else can do the work, eh?

    Vs Panasonic-built 2170

    6 times the power
    5.5 times the volume = increase power

    5 times the energy density, but they pack tighter
    =15% range increase.

    1/2 production cost

    I didn't take you for an oil shrill. Sad.
     
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    This post was about oil. Peaked and done. Done and dusted. Over. Vamoose.

    Coal is a problem (India & China). Conversation for another day.
     
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    Integration into new house builds can easily be self-sufficient.

    Charging electric cars and big industry at night will be challenging, but don't forget wind.

    So we give up trying?
     
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    Why bother cut and paste when you are wrong?

    "Tesla is changing the battery chemistry it uses in all its standard-range electric vehicles to a version with a lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) cathode, the automaker said Wednesday in its third-quarter investor deck.....One major downside: The cells are less energy-dense, which means they offer lower range for the same weight as other cells. Cold weather also affects them more, Abuelsamid said. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/20/tesla-switching-to-lfp-batteries-in-all-standard-range-cars.html
     
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    Then Tesla will be outbid by another manufacturer
     
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    I love pointing out that if we can drive a solar powered car from Darwin to Adelaide then watch this space for future technology
     
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    Did you read your qualitative article?
    Hey at least I posted up some numbers and read.

    Standard range cars, dude. Less batteries needs. Energy density doesn't matter.

    Less cost, less exotic materials = progress.

    And like Bowerbird said, above.

    You have no point.
     
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    I suspect a few Americans here are using their outdated world map. You know the one...:aww:
     
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    The one I get in trouble for posting?:p:p:p

    Hey MM have you seen the latest ABC report on climate change and how to solve it - so well done!
     
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    Well I have no idea what they post and less range means they have less POWER.
     
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    No I haven't? Please link me!
     
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    Not so fast.
    World Oil Reserves
    The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves).
    Oil Consumption: 35,442,913,090
    Oil Reserves: 1,650,585,140,000
    Reserves/Consumption: 47

    World Oil Statistics - Worldometer
     
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    Except that the Arabs have been lying about how much oil they have in reserve for about the last decade
    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/s...up-to-40-us-cables-reveal-20110209-1an03.html
     
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    The resource is finite

    Ubless of course you are one of those who believe that oil reserves magically refill themselves??

    But why burn it and pollute the atmosphere further when there are now alternatives?
     
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    CO2 does not pollute the atmosphere in any significant way.
     
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    Yeah! Suuuuuuuure! Got research because I have bulk loads that say you are wrong

    Sits back and waits for inevitable links to blog posts and AstroTurf sites funded by Big Oil
     
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    And:
    Wang, C., Soden, B. J., Yang, W., & Vecchi, G. A. (2021). Compensation between cloud feedback and aerosol-cloud interaction in CMIP6 models. Geophysical Research Letters, 48, e2020GL091024. doi.org/10.1029/2020GL091024
     
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