Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    If you stop and think for a minute the answer will jump of before you. Think of the letter J. When was the letter J created and when did it become part of the alphabet? Google it.

    "If the letter J wasn't invented until 1600, how did Jesus get his name 2013 years ago?" Google that sentence, my browser isn't working right so I can't post the links. You can also use the Online Etymology Dictionary site.


    When reading supposedly old manuscripts be sure to do an etymology check of certain words periodically to see how old they are. If you do that, you may discover that the manuscript is a fake.

    If you had an authentic Bible written before 1630 or so, you would see that the character was not named "Jesus".
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    What was the first version of the Bible that got the adjective "holy" added to the title?
     
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    If you really believe in Jesus then you should be able to do what he said such a believer can do. Walk outside and command the nearest tree to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water. Let us know how that works out and post videos.
     
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    What was he named?
     
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    A variation of Yehoshua (Yeshua/Yoshua, depending on the year and the writer). It was a 3 syllable name.
     
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    You mean like misery sans mercy? Give us a shout when there is no God.
     
  7. Mitt Ryan

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    So to you no matter what God does, He is a dictator... what a tough critic.

    So for Him to not be a dictator you want free will to just do anything you please even doing the most despicable heinous evil one can think of without any accountability, without any penalty for the miseries, the sufferings it caused? If God were to allow that He wouldn't be a fair and just God.

    Furthermore if we humans allowed people the free will to just do anything without consequences think how chaotic life would be, worse than it is now with laws that we do have to govern us. We would eventually annihilate ourselves into extinction...now that wouldn't be great...would it?

    So it is unreasonable, irrational, insane to hold such views. Kinda sounds like today's democratic party in the USA in some ways...lol Those boys and gals are insane with their political beliefs they hold...woke belief...they need to go to the woke detox center...lol

    Enough of the laughter now to get serious again. Let's look through the lens of the atheist's perspective.

    Since atheists hold the belief that Our Creator Almighty God doesn't exist then in their view there is no such thing as an after-life after one's physical death, no such thing as Judgment Day.

    Their belief is that after one dies they silently go into a state of nothingness, into a state of no awareness of anything, into a state of an infinite blank dark nothing for eternity.

    So there will be no God to punish them for all the wrongdoings that they did while living on His green earth.

    Even the very sinful of the worst among them like for example to name just two among the many others out there, the atheists Mao and Stalin who had in fact murdered millions upon millions of their own people, there is no judgment for them because they are in a state of non-existence, in a state of an infinite blank dark nothing.

    Well sorry but that's not the belief that Christians have, we believe in an after-life, yes an eternity in life after we die our physical deaths here on God's green earth.

    If there is any kind of real justice fair and just it will be the justice coming from Our Creator Almighty God. Justice where atheists such as Mao and Stalin are not going to escape like they did on God's green earth but now in the after-life are being punished for the millions upon millions of sins they had committed while living their physical lives on God's green earth.

    So just knowing that I would not be comfortable if I held atheist's beliefs, nor would I be comfortable being any non-Christian with other beliefs.

    I would not be denying what Our Creator Almighty God has revealed to us in His Best Selling Book of All-Time the Christian Holy Bible. He told us there is eternal life for the righteous (believers/Christians) and there is an eternal punishment for the unrighteous (unbelievers/non-Christians).

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,


    46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” Matthew 25:46 NLT
     
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    Whats dis now .. sayen things .. tellin others about being able to do what they want without punishment -- pretending not to like it ? Why this 180 degree turn mon ?

    You da one bin preachen the free pass .. free pass through judgement .. if only those would bow down and worship the Idol Martin Luther .. and his man made "Sola Fide" doctrine..

    So you see how the way of the snake moves - like the "God Questions" site .. trapped in own web ...


    So yes .. very "unreasonable, irrational insane" to use your words .. and woe to those driving people down the dark path .Sayeth the Lord .. to eternal punishment .. the decievers as per

    Matt 7 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    Those that sow deciet like those fundamentalist Snake Charmer sites "GotQuestions" --- cut down they will be - into the fire !! :oldman:
     
  9. Mitt Ryan

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    "in what or in what?" C'mon gift try not to be lazy if you are asking a question put a question mark after the last word...sheeesh!...lol

    What else could it be gift? This is my 10th thread so by now it should have been obvious what I mean by saying non believer...sheeesh! Talk about being unaware of what's going on...lol

    Hint: I'm speaking about people like you, so quick gift, what is it?....non believer in...c'mon gift you can do it...lol

    You crack me up gift with your ignorance at times...lol
     
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    Another post --- cherry picking on small part out and talking gibberish it a dance of deception.
    ay maytee .. you have many beliefs that I have issues with 1) What do you mean by non believer ... non believer in what

    So which belief were you referring to .. when tarred me with the "Non Believer" brush .. typical cult behavoir btw... soon as a "tough question" comes up you can't deal with .. """"Ahhhh Ahhhhh the Unbeliever" ..

    Belief in what ? which belief from the Fundamentalist Snake Charmer site are you referring to ..there are many inane things those folks believe.

    What Mitt .. can you not speak ? .. your tongue all tied and twisted from the many forked roads :)

    What is it that you figure I should believe ? What would make you happy :)
     
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    Of course God is a dictator. He is that by definition. Nobody elected him. He can't be voted out of power. What did you think dictator meant?
     
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    Dictator has negative connotations. Is it that he can't be overthrown that makes him a dictator? He is the cause of our lives, rather than an impediment or harsh task maker.
     
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    And that he dictates. He holds power over everyone and everything else that we never agreed he should have, and he won't or can't give up even if we all wanted him to. He can do whatever he wants and expects everyone else to oney him. That is a dictator, by definition. That is what a dictator is.

    And even moreso, he is more authoritarian than even most other dictators are, if he is the sole God demanding there be no Gods before him etc. His first commandment (not suggestion) according to the book is that you shalt have no Gods before him. Dictator.

    And you are to be punished if you disobey him (according to some but not all believers), which makes that version of him also a tyrant.
     
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    Do what? Please be more specific, then I could give you an answer but what I can tell you is that everything that God does is righteous, His ways and thoughts are higher than our ways and thoughts. So that alone should answer your not so specific question.

    We Read in Scripture:

    8 “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord.
    “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.
    9 For just as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so my ways are higher than your ways
    and my thoughts higher than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9 NLT

    That's funny coming from a sinner...lol Do you find your sins to be abysmally immoral? Who are we to judge Our Creator Almighty God's Sovereignty over His creation, He being sinless, perfectly Holy and righteous!

    Why not what? Again you are not being specific. But what I can tell you once again is that everything that God does is righteous. God is omnipotent; He is all-powerful and can do anything that pleases Him, but His actions will always be in accord with the rest of His perfectly Holy character.

    Another attribute He has is being omniscient, meaning He knows the past, present, and future, including what we are thinking at any given moment. Since He knows everything, His justice will always be administered fairly.

    And He is also omnipresent, meaning He is present everywhere, but this does not mean that God is everything.

    So you're trying to make the point that infants and children should be immune to death because it doesn't make sense for God if He is going to take them why let them live in the first place...wow! That is such a ludicrously silly point to make. I'll let you ponder over this yourself to figure out why your point is so ludicrously silly...now put your thinking cap on if you got one...lol

    Of course I answered it but because you don't like my responses in your biased opinion they are just poor excuses. You're being irrational, unreasonable, wanting to live in some fantasy world where infants and children are immune to death as if they are not suppose to be prone to die from accidents, diseases, from all the rest of other causes that we all face in living in a fallen depraved sinful world. C'mon gfp come back to reality.
     
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    Why do people think that it does them any good to pray when one of the main points in the Bible is that God's will be done on Earth as it is in heaven?

    Matthew 6:10 (KJV) = "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."

    So, if you are suffering it is because it is God's will that you suffer. If you pray for relief then you are telling God that his will for you sucks and that you want a better deal. Isn't that being self-centered and selfish? Therefore, if you believe in the idea expressed in Matthew 6:10, why would you ever pray for anything since everything that happens is God"s will? Just express thanks for whatever misfortune that happens to you because God loves to beat the crap of those he loves.

    If you aren't being beaten on a regular basis then God hates you and you are headed for the lake of fire.

    Hebrews 12:6 (NLV) = ”The Lord punishes everyone He loves. He whips every son He receives.”

    And remember, if you want to avoid ending up in hell, be sure to gouge out one of your eyes and cut off your right hand to keep from sinning. (Matthew 5:29-30)

    Getting whipped and doing those amputations will show that a person has real faith in the biblical God. God must have hated all of the Popes.

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    God does not promote immorality. You have obviously like many other unbelievers misinterpreted Scripture spewing out falsehoods. I've said it numerous of times before the Holy Bible is not a book for the interpretation impaired especially not for the ones looking to try to discredit the Bible.

    So let me explain it as thoroughly as I can be to help you understand that God does not promote immorality but He certainly does fight against it. Let's not forget He gave mankind His commandments for us to obey and follow. Imagine if we all follow it in our daily lives how much better life would be for everyone but because of our sinful nature don't hold your breath that we are going to achieve Utopia here on earth with us human beings in charge. When Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ returns in His 2nd Coming then people's lives are going to change for the better.

    But anyhoot let me get back to responding to your falsehood. I'm going to use the nation of Babylon and the people of Judah to illustrate how God fought evil during those turbulent times of the OT.

    When God uses evil (nation of Babylon) to combat other evil (people of Judah) as we note by reading Scripture. He in essence is using one evil to punish the other evil because of their sins. The result of this is that the one that's being punished (people of Judah) will turn away from their sinful ways and start living the right way.

    And eventually the evil that was doing the punishing (nation of Babylon) will be judged and also be punished until God conquers all evil so that righteousness will ultimately prevail.

    So what God actually promotes is righteousness, the way of the wicked is an abomination to Him but He loves whoever pursues righteousness.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord,
    but he loves him who pursues righteousness. Proverbs 15:9 ESV
     
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    What a pile of steaming avoidance.
    You completely failed to address "The Point" which was slavery conquest and pillaging .. not general immorality.

    YHWH was all about xenophobia and mass genocide .. - having a whole lot in common with the God of the Moabites .. Chemosh - who also demanded slaughter of entire populations and the occasional Child sacrifice.

    Not surprising these two groups had similar beliefs - given they were essentially the same people who later divided into groups.
     
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    Well yes but like I mentioned after they sinned, their relationship with God changed, and they were ashamed to come into God's physical presence, which explains why they hid from Him among the trees.

    We Read in Scripture:

    8 When the cool evening breezes were blowing, the man and his wife heard the Lord God walking about in the garden. So they hid from the Lord God among the trees. Genesis 3:8 NLT

    This is a prime example how unbelievers like you gfp misinterpret what they read. My statements above were not implying that Adam and Eve left the Garden on their own, all I was saying is that after they sinned, their relationship with God changed, and they were ashamed to come into God's physical presence, which was true as verified by the verse in Scripture I presented from Genesis 3:8.

    I know it can be hard for unbelievers to interpret anything they read that is regarding the Bible correctly, it's because satan/devil is preventing y'all from interpreting correctly, that's how he keeps y'all in the dark and unsaved. An exorcism is what y'all need to rid the evil spirit that's residing in your minds...seriously!

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 5 You see, we don’t go around preaching about ourselves. We preach that Jesus Christ is Lord, and we ourselves are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NLT
     
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    Since I can't read your mind would you elaborate fully as to what exactly are you trying to convey? Right now the only thing I can say to you is that when Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ came into the world it was at a time Our Creator Almighty God wanted it to be and so the timing of His Divine Plan was...what else...perfect!

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He is the Rock; his deeds are perfect.
    Everything he does is just and fair.
    He is a faithful God who does no wrong;
    how just and upright he is! Deuteronomy 32:4 NLT
     
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    Yes .. sin they did .. and for their Sins .. YHWH required Child sacrifice ... "As we read in Scripture" :)
     
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    Child sacrifice? Demigod sacrifice.

    As we read in scripture:

    Sayeth the Lord "Behold my grace. I shall send my own son to suffer and die for something he did not do, because only then can your children's children's children be forgiven for your eating some fruit you can't have known was wrong to eat. It made you know. Worship me. You're welcome".

    And remember everyone, God is good because God says so. He is perfect and all he does is just and fair, because he says so.

     
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    Sometimes I find myself in a sense faulting God in a quiet moment. And I become cognizant that I am contrary to the epitome of my very hopes, the one who gave the last sinew of his strength to my rescue, the reformer of my heart, the maker of my life and restorer of my soul who has opened my ears and eyes. So as I live, I will wait upon him, my life and breaths giver. I bring myself into alignment, and not for function alone, but that I truly love him in dearness. It is imperative to keep truth in remembrance, as it is ever our division to wander into the clutches of the adversary and become at odds with our own Shepherd, enjoining the mocking hordes, shrieking in the dark and casting aspersions from tall towers. Our God is my consolation. His requirements are firm, and his purpose is just. So go we in truth and justice and the taming of ferocity.
     
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    BTW, Do you notice that while Mitt quotes us Deuteronomy 32:4, he stops there and doesn't quote us 32:19 to the end of the chapter?

    Chapter 32 of Deuteronomy is a song God taught Moses, not only to praise God as perfect, just, and fair, but moreso as a prelude to the slaughter of the Canaanites, because God separated them and they worshiped other Gods. God has Moses celebrate this genocide and sing this drunk-with-blood song about it, and this chapter is what Mitt chooses to extract from that Good is good and just and fair from, and to show God had a perfect plan (for Genocide)? I think that is notable.

    This is ISIS level goodness and justice and fairness. Praise God.
     
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    Why would we fault YHWH for the practice of Child Sacrifice - just because YHWH ordered child sacrifice to appease him? It is the Israelites fault for following YHWHs instruction - "Everything YHWH does is just and fair" - The Israelites sinned and so were ordered to sacrifice children to appease YHWH - "His deeds are Perfect - he is faithful - and does no wrong" - . commanding that Children are not to be punished for the sins of their Parents.

    As we read in Scripture - directly from the mouth of YHWH
    So you see - YHWH had good reason for ordering Child Sacrifice .. to fill the Israelites with Horror -- hoping that through this horror they would know that YHWH is deserved of the title "Lord" .

    Some of the other YHWH worshiping peoples .. Moabites, Kenites, Edomites and Midianites - also gave their Children to the fire .. was via Chemosh in the case of the Midianites- their version of the Israelite War God - who battled with YHWH .. and won.. but the holy relics not destroyed .. but kept and venerated as they also believed in/worshiped YHWH -- as most everyone is polytheistic at the time ..and the few that are not are Henotheistic .. and it was out of this region - Edom in particular .. which YHWH came - and was worshiped long before Moses.. was a Midianite that introduced YHWH to Moses.

    And now you know "the rest of the story" :)
     
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    "24 because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their parents’ idols. 25 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; 26 I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord."

    Those scriptures makes no sense. If they didn't obey his laws, rejected his decrees, desecrated his Sabbaths, and lusted after idols. Then why would anyone think that they'd follow his commands to follow laws they could not live, sacrifice their first born and fill themselves with horror. If I tell you to pick that apple tree and you refuse. Would you obey me if I told you to cut off your hand? Of course not. That's about what that scripture is saying at face value. So I don't buy it as it is. There must be more to it of which we cannot see, are unaware, or missing in translation. Perhaps the path they chose arrived at that point and God did nothing to dissuade, thereby causing them to be beholden to that which is horrifying. I don't know. When I find myself faulting God, it is always for something relatively minor and about my life....not about a historical record which is thousands of years old about people and traditions of which I am completely unfamiliar.
     

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