Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Over these past two years I've taken more than thirty online Ministerial Studies courses from near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai......
In chapter six of his free online course "Heavenly Visitation" he reports being shown that Jesus went into hell for the three days between his burial and his resurrection, does the idea of Jesus being in hell offend you or appear to be a false doctrine?


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For the record although the way that Dr. Zadai described this really surprised me...... I do believe that he is accurately and honestly reporting what he was shown during his 1992 brush with death.

For the record I am guessing that Jesus went into paradise with the other thief first..... as He had promised..... but then either at his burial or at sunset He went down into hell itself.

 

Exactly - something is just too messed up here .. but if we go to the previous pages .. Ezikiel 16-19 - goes on and on about Israel prostituting herself to other Gods ... which includes child sacrifice .. something that the scribes would obviously know ... as their ancestors not to distand were doing the same thing .. some suggest as far down as 2-300 AD .. was an accepted practice in any case .. everyone knows that 16-19 is talking about .. .. the folks compiling the documents know this .. and have to justify it somehow ..

What we have is YHWH punishing the people -- with the thing that they are doing. Keep in mind however that it was not like folks were sacrificing children every day .. most often it was to win a battle ( such as when Jephthah sacrifices his daughter to win a battle) .. but if this were to be a required thing ... every first borh .. such as the example in Egypt .. that would be a horror.

So ... knowing some of the history is kind of required to get through this one. What Israel was doing is well attested to --- Jerusalem for Example had all kinds of people living there .. not just "Israelites" but the people that were living there .. Israelites included .. were all polytheist...

YHWH is dragged out during wartime - he is the Storm God -- not the Sky God like El .. whome everyone believed was most high in the Heavens .. YHWH is then put away and the other Gods more suited to daily life take over.. "We are told in Scripture" That King Solomon builds many temples to other Gods .. including God's to which Children were sacrificed .. Molech - Chemosh - and Baal at times -- Baal was also a Storm God .. one of YHWH's main rivals for the title of Lord over the Earth.

These peoples are interconnected .. David's Grandmother is either a Moabite or Midianite .. worshiping many Gods and things go really downhill from there .. after never actually being uphill.. but really down into the gutter .. no one having any reverence for YHWH .. Elijah being the ONLY prophet for YHWH in all Israel .. and he has no following .. 450 for Baal and 400 for Asherah .. Mother Goddess .. wife/consort to YHWH .. and pretty much every other God ... of similar Stature .. being the fertility Goddess and all .. but many other things as well. .. We still celebrate her on Easter "Ishtar" .. festival of death and rebirth .. the Spring Equinox .. but I digress.

The Biblical Account matches what we dig up... w/r to the Israelit Religious practices .. Pagans .. the lot of them ... all following the same religious customs in many respects .. Each one with Patron "War God " ..and when things to bad in war .. everyone blames displeasing the War God in some way .. you could cut and paste from any one of these people lamentations .. just changing the name of the God .. and they go on and on...

The famous Moabite Stele .. where Chemosh defeats YHWH .. is a similar-- but instead of a lamentation is a Jubilation .. which is what you do when you win.. lamentation reversed.

How did the God's factor into it when the Southern Israel and Northern Israel were at war .. ? Tough one that ... wish I knew though.

So .. not pretty .. but its reality .. Child Sacrifice was a wide-spread and relatively accepted practice .. .. and the "Israelites" out of Egypt .. were not the first one's worshiping YHWH .. but that is for another post






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Remember, the God character deludes people so that they will believe lies. Therefore, if he claims to be good, chances are it is a lie. And since you know right from wrong you should be able to judge God's actions.

Isaiah 66:4 (NKJV) = ”So will I choose their delusions, And bring their fears on them; Because, when I called, no one answered, When I spoke they did not hear; But they did evil before My eyes, And chose that in which I do not delight.”

2 Thessalonians 2:11 (NKJV) = ”And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,”

 

To me, this suggests just how closely God is to our lives and choices when we think we are mighty, strong and autonomous. In other words, he gives us comfort and guidance in our unawares. But if we constantly go contrary to that which is right, God withdraws his comfort, spirit and council, leaving us to the bitter fruits or consequences of our choices, which might be strong delusions. It is tough love maybe. That said, my relationship with God began personal and remains so. So I don't look to define or believe in him thru others relationships, especially ancient records. I don't blame God or my earthly Parents for the injustices in life. I don't say of my Parents, you have made me to stub my toe, skin my knee, suffer heat when it is hot, and the cold in winter, illnesses, my stomach to growl, consigned me to this wretched existence, and in the end only to die. Instead I say you have blessed me with life, sacrificed your all, shone your countenance upon me and filled me with wonder. Always will my heart be to thee, no matter the gruesome burden. You have won me Mother and Father. You have purchased my soul with love. I am yours forever. Similar is my heart to God. No condemnation or complaint can gather to eclipse his light or the treaty and bond that is already in me. One knows ones friend. And there is no fault in any of it but of mine. Therefore to participate or serve in any degree is a blessing and unspeakable prestige. Every act of kindness to ones fellow man is an acquiescence to Gods glory. It is good that it is common. But when the arrows of derision come, it makes it all the rarer and succinct, like a thread of silver praise. Unbelief is a gem, a hidden harbor, a castles noble guard, by whom none but the King may return. His password is Every Man. For that which is sought without, must be discovered within.

 

Hi Dennis! Again, a very good question my friend, a question that has caused a lot of confusion.

But the quick answer is that no, our Lord did not go to hell but He did go to sheol/hades which is a temporary place of the dead where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment.

So being in sheol/hades is not the lake of fire which is the permanent and final place of judgment for the unsaved. So our Lord did not go to a place of torment after His death, He went to that temporary place sheol/hades. The passage below gives a clear distinction between the temporary place sheol/hades and the lake of fire which is the permanent place for the unsaved.

We Read in Scripture:

The Final Judgment

11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15 NLT

 

Yeah something is just too messed up here...it's you again misinterpreting Scripture...what else is new!

 

In makes no sense when Scripture is misinterpreted. That's what gif does a lot he misinterprets so don't fall for his misinterpretations.

 

I challenge anyone to read the Bible in full without skipping bits, for any random twenty or so pages in succession, and not come away having to try to explain something rather uncomfortable if you thought it was a book of moral value.

As I demonstrated above, even the bits that tend to get selected and presented are usually from larger contexts that are far more disturbing.

Again, that bit Mitt quoted about God being just and fair and good, is actually from a chapter about God setting it up so Moses and his people slaughter many innocent people so they can take their lands.

 

Just because you don't like what sripture says .. does not mean someone has misinterpreted it. What is really "messed up" is you crying "you misinterpreted scripture" but not stating what you think was misinterpreted ..

If you are uncomfortable about the Israelites engaging in Child sacrifice - as you are with most of the truly tough questions - perhaps this OP is not for you .. even though it was you who created it ?!

Cease from this dark path of denial you are on .. away from the Truth, the Way, The Light - For as we read in Scripture

Exodus 22

 

He only wants the first born. You can keep the others. Does this tell us God thinks more highly of people based on birth order? If you are a second born should you feel lesser than?

I often hear about sexism in the Bible, but rarely do I see the birth order by bigotry mentioned.

 

It tells you that many Ancient societies and families thought more highly of the oldest child, and most particularly the oldest male child.

Naturally, the God or gods of these societies shared/reflected their values...

Ordinarily.

You'll see it mentioned frequently in this book:



The Ancient City: A Study of the Religion, Laws, and Institutions of Greece and Rome
https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-City-Religion-Institutions-Greece/dp/154543638X

I would think you would see this mentioned, in one aspect or the other, throughout the Old and New Testaments. It was a common feature of the Ancient/Classical world.

 

Modernites don't even wait for them to be born. They sacrifice them in the womb to the God of leisure who doesn't distinguish between gender or order. And not in remembrance of anything are they killed either. But simply for vain bliss and the gobbling up of every tomorrow.

 

Let me give you the proper interpretation of those verses to make sense of it all. First let me present Chapter 20 verses 1 thru 26, the whole Chapter extends up to verse 49 but I will only present up to verse 26 here. And later on I will present verse 39 of the Chapter. As with any passage it is vitally important to study the context of these verses of Ezekiel. So it's a good idea to read the entire Chapter 20.

As you can see right off the bat the title of the Chapter is "The Rebellion of Israel" and so it gives us a hint what we are going to discover. Every time as we note in Scripture the Israelites are rebelling against God, He would then punish them to bring them back to righteousness away from their sinful ways to follow His laws, His decrees He gave them to live the righteous way in which they could live properly.

We Read in Scripture:

The Rebellion of Israel

20 On August 14, during the seventh year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity, some of the leaders of Israel came to request a message from the Lord. They sat down in front of me to wait for his reply. 2 Then this message came to me from the Lord: 3 “Son of man, tell the leaders of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: How dare you come to ask me for a message? As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, I will tell you nothing!’

4 “Son of man, bring charges against them and condemn them. Make them realize how detestable the sins of their ancestors really were. 5 Give them this message from the Sovereign Lord: When I chose Israel—when I revealed myself to the descendants of Jacob in Egypt—I took a solemn oath that I, the Lord, would be their God. 6 I took a solemn oath that day that I would bring them out of Egypt to a land I had discovered and explored for them—a good land, a land flowing with milk and honey, the best of all lands anywhere. 7 Then I said to them, ‘Each of you, get rid of the vile images you are so obsessed with. Do not defile yourselves with the idols of Egypt, for I am the Lord your God.’

8 “But they rebelled against me and would not listen. They did not get rid of the vile images they were obsessed with, or forsake the idols of Egypt. Then I threatened to pour out my fury on them to satisfy my anger while they were still in Egypt. 9 But I didn’t do it, for I acted to protect the honor of my name. I would not allow shame to be brought on my name among the surrounding nations who saw me reveal myself by bringing the Israelites out of Egypt. 10 So I brought them out of Egypt and led them into the wilderness. 11 There I gave them my decrees and regulations so they could find life by keeping them. 12 And I gave them my Sabbath days of rest as a sign between them and me. It was to remind them that I am the Lord, who had set them apart to be holy.

13 “But the people of Israel rebelled against me, and they refused to obey my decrees there in the wilderness. They wouldn’t obey my regulations even though obedience would have given them life. They also violated my Sabbath days. So I threatened to pour out my fury on them, and I made plans to utterly consume them in the wilderness.

14 But again I held back in order to protect the honor of my name before the nations who had seen my power in bringing Israel out of Egypt. 15 But I took a solemn oath against them in the wilderness. I swore I would not bring them into the land I had given them, a land flowing with milk and honey, the most beautiful place on earth. 16 For they had rejected my regulations, refused to follow my decrees, and violated my Sabbath days. Their hearts were given to their idols. 17 Nevertheless, I took pity on them and held back from destroying them in the wilderness.

18 “Then I warned their children not to follow in their parents’ footsteps, defiling themselves with their idols. 19 ‘I am the Lord your God,’ I told them. ‘Follow my decrees, pay attention to my regulations, 20 and keep my Sabbath days holy, for they are a sign to remind you that I am the Lord your God.’

21 “But their children, too, rebelled against me. They refused to keep my decrees and follow my regulations, even though obedience would have given them life. And they also violated my Sabbath days. So again I threatened to pour out my fury on them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless, I withdrew my judgment against them to protect the honor of my name before the nations that had seen my power in bringing them out of Egypt. 23 But I took a solemn oath against them in the wilderness. I swore I would scatter them among all the nations 24 because they did not obey my regulations. They scorned my decrees by violating my Sabbath days and longing for the idols of their ancestors. 25 I gave them over to worthless decrees and regulations that would not lead to life. 26 I let them pollute themselves with the very gifts I had given them, and I allowed them to give their firstborn children as offerings to their gods—so I might devastate them and remind them that I alone am the Lord. Ezekiel 20:1-26 NLT

The correct interpretation of what these verses are saying is that since the Israelites violated God’s laws and committed abominations, such as sacrificing their firstborn (Ezekiel 20:26), God essentially said, “I’ll let you experience the full misery of what it is like to live under the laws of pagan gods.”

When we continue to stubbornly rebel against God, violating His commands, committing idolatry, etc., He sometimes allows us to experience the consequences of our sin. He allows us to see how sin destroys our lives. He allows us to become like the idols we are worshipping.

In closing, when God says, "I gave them over to worthless decrees and regulations that would not lead to life." (Ezekiel 25) He is essentially saying that, because the Israelites perverted God’s statutes (the giving of the first fruits, for example), even to the point of offering their firstborn children, God gave them over to the rules and statutes of their ancestors and the surrounding idolatrous nations. Those rules, which led to death, were the opposite of God’s life-giving rules and were a judgment in themselves.

Why did God do this?

We Read in Scripture:

26 I let them pollute themselves with the very gifts I had given them, and I allowed them to give their firstborn children as offerings to their gods—so I might devastate them and remind them that I alone am the Lord. Ezekiel 20:26 NLT

39 “As for you, O people of Israel, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Go right ahead and worship your idols, but sooner or later you will obey me and will stop bringing shame on my holy name by worshiping idols. Ezekiel 20:39 NLT

Our Creator Almighty God wants us to know that He is the one to be worshipped...not pagan false gods who don't even exist, He wants our hearts totally, for He alone is God and only He alone can give us life.

 

"Modernites" are not Gods. Why does God prefer first borns?

 

Good grief - leave God out of your desperate lack of understanding of science and religion .. no such thing as "sacrifice in the womb" - and I hope God distinguishes between a single human cell and "A Human" - certainly seems to in the Bible - but even Child sacrifice God YHWH waited until they were 8 days born .. didn't want them prior to that.

 

Come on now Mitt -- interpretations from those fundamentalist snake charmer sites "gotquestions" via communion with dark spirits - is path of darkness.

Yes and YHWH wants to be worshiped with the sacrifice your first born

For as we read in Scripture - Exodus 22:29 “Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats.
“You must give me the firstborn of your sons. 30 Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.[/QUOTE]

but remember .. only to YHWH must the first born be given .. and not to any other of the "Sons of God" - as this makes YHWH very upset .. for as we read in scripture - Lev. 20:5,‘I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek

You are not to sacrifice the first born to Molek .. but to YHWH alone

 

Oh excuse me. I should have said, the God of leisure science. Nevertheless, it is real. And that it is in full practice and stride as we live and breathe. It is what modernites serve. And they put the ancients to shame in efficacy and proficiency. Your murderous God of old is an amateur in comparison, is he not? Isn't that the point of the derision? And isn't it a hypocrisy in the new faulting the old. What child esteems himself wise, and the ancient a fool. Yes they are different Gods. The old one of heart, voice, and purpose, that the act be of note. And the new God, heartless and voiceless, who says let there be neither heart nor voice, that there be no bond to sever, and nothing of note to remark. For birth is an abomination to my will. Choose me and I will be your advocate and benevolent King. Damnation to heavens seed. The earth is mine. And the whole world I give to you if you worship me. I am, yet am not. I have no voice, yet conveyance of my will, and am adored. Believe not fables of other Gods. I am you and you are me, and we shall conquer the universe unto heaven....and plunder the womb. For if we spoil the sacred then it is sacred no more, don't you see. It is all in the doing. Sacredness then is in the keeping of it. Blink away the murder, for afterwards it is done. And I fault you not. Serve me and I will blot out every concern. Disposes yourselves of the fable of judgment and salvation. Abort the unnecessary burden and the useless vanity. See how benevolent I am? I take away your guilt and shame. All crime is but in the observance of a contrived value. Value it not, and therefore there is no crime. Admonish not the wayward, but kiss him and bless him on his way, that he may lope unto the realization of his true nature. Come all my little hell hounds and gather to my feet. As freedom is to be sowed in the reigning of chaos. Their Jesus had to give his sermon on a high mount. But I am in the low places, for I am humble. Jesus is hard, but I am easy. I have no requirements but of your following. Am I not comely and pleasing?

 

Where is the God of whom you speak? Was he not in your estimation but the will of those of those times?

 

Think you are having convo with yourself mate .. cause nothing above addresses anything I said in a coherent way . but a whole lot of self deception going on .. that and some serious avoidance of anything contrary to this fallacious perception.

I think one question (in two parts) will address both the secular and theocratic issues ..related to both your post and mine.

1) When does the soul arrive 1b) and why do you believe it arrives at this time ?

 

I present interpretations that keep in line with what is written in the Scriptures of the Christian Holy Bible, when I make statements that has biblical truths in them I back them up with what we read in Scripture, whereas your ludicrous silly interpretations with all these different gods that you mention comes from unbiblical sources...via communion with dark spirits-is path of darkness...lol

Like this nonsensical, ludicrous, unbiblical post of yours below.

Lol...so hilariously silly. There is no where written in the Scriptures of the Christian Holy Bible the garbage spewed out of your mouth from the above post. We read in Scripture that King Solomon built one Temple of the Lord in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah. There is no where written in the Scriptures where we read he built many others to other gods. And there is absolutely no where written in the Scriptures where we read the Temple of the Lord was used to sacrifice children. The truth is, it was used to worship God. So everything what you spewed out is unbiblical and therefore are falsehoods.

We Read in Scripture:

Solomon Builds the Temple

3 So Solomon began to build the Temple of the Lord in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the Lord had appeared to David, his father. The Temple was built on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite, the site that David had selected. 2 Chronicles 3:1 NLT

giff my threads are about Christianity, not about your silly ludicrous beliefs that don't originate from the Christian Holy Bible. You should start your own cult thread with your garbage that you spew out, that way you won't pollute my thread which is strictly about Christianity.

Lastly, I would take any interpretations from legit Christian websites over your silly, unbiblical, false interpretations any day of the year. They keep in line just like I do with what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible...something your ludicrous interpretations lack and that's why your interpretations are essentially and inherently misinterpretations...falsehoods.

 

You Ok mate ? You just accused me of a buch of things that you do ... projecting your failings onto me. I was not the one posting from fundamentalist snake charmer site "got questions" .. I posted scripture .. that relates to the question at hand - your response does not address those questions.. so once again

"Child Sacrifice" is the topic Scripture is as follows

Exodus 22:29 “Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats.
“You must give me the firstborn of your sons. 30 Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day

Solomon 1 Kings 11
5 He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. 6 So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the Lord; he did not follow the Lord completely, as David his father had done.

7 On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. 8 He did the same for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and offered sacrifices to their gods.

1) YHWH demands sacrifice of your first born
2) King Solomon was worshiping other Gods .. including the Child sacrifice Gods . building the "High Place" for these Gods .. the place where Children are Sacrificed - and he also built a temple to YHWH (your only contribution)

Sorry mate .. if you want to deny scripture that's fine .. but don't blame me what scripture says .. nor blame me for what those fundamentalist snake charmer sites you cling to have to say .. communing with the dark spirits.

This denial and deception is not the "Truth - the way - the light"

 

The practice of an ancient tribe of Jews doesn't matter to me. One would have to have lived then, and/or have a fullness of scriptural/historical reference in regards to the matter to understand it. As for me, I already know that God lives. So I don't seek issue with him or the concept of the existence of God or with anything he has ever done or ever will do.

 

giff you are misinterpreting Scripture like I have always told you many times before. Let me bring up that Exodus verses you presented.

We Read in Scripture:

29 “You must not hold anything back when you give me offerings from your crops and your wine. “You must give me your firstborn sons. 30 “You must also give me the firstborn of your cattle, sheep, and goats. But leave the newborn animal with its mother for seven days; then give it to me on the eighth day. Exodus 22:29-30 NLT

This is not about children being sacrificed by killing them. giff what is going on here is that in the Old Testament, firstborn humans and animals were considered sacred to God.

We Read in Scripture:

Dedication of the Firstborn

13 Then the Lord said to Moses, 2 “Dedicate to me every firstborn among the Israelites. The first offspring to be born, of both humans and animals, belongs to me.” Exodus 13:1-2 NLT

26 “You may not dedicate a firstborn animal to the Lord, for the firstborn of your cattle, sheep, and goats already belong to him. Leviticus 27:26 NLT

11 And the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Look, I have chosen the Levites from among the Israelites to serve as substitutes for all the firstborn sons of the people of Israel. The Levites belong to me, 13 for all the firstborn males are mine. On the day I struck down all the firstborn sons of the Egyptians, I set apart for myself all the firstborn in Israel, both of people and of animals. They are mine; I am the Lord.” Numbers 3:11-13 NLT

After God rescued Israel from slavery in Egypt, He commanded the people to consecrate every firstborn male human and firstborn animal to Him (Exodus 22:29–30). The dedication was in memory of God’s great deliverance and a sign to their children that God had brought them out of Egypt.

We Read in Scripture:

11 “This is what you must do when the Lord fulfills the promise he swore to you and to your ancestors. When he gives you the land where the Canaanites now live, 12 you must present all firstborn sons and firstborn male animals to the Lord, for they belong to him. 13 A firstborn donkey may be bought back from the Lord by presenting a lamb or young goat in its place. But if you do not buy it back, you must break its neck. However, you must buy back every firstborn son.

14 “And in the future, your children will ask you, ‘What does all this mean?’ Then you will tell them, ‘With the power of his mighty hand, the Lord brought us out of Egypt, the place of our slavery. 15 Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, so the Lord killed all the firstborn males throughout the land of Egypt, both people and animals. That is why I now sacrifice all the firstborn males to the Lord—except that the firstborn sons are always bought back.’ 16 This ceremony will be like a mark branded on your hand or your forehead. It is a reminder that the power of the Lord’s mighty hand brought us out of Egypt.” Exodus 13:11-16 NLT

So giff it was a consecration a dedication and not about sacrificing the first born as in killing them. Wow...what an blunder by you to think this, well again you're good at misinterpreting what you read in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Ok now on to King Solomon, you were quoted stating that King Solomon built other Temples to other gods, and I told you that wasn't true. The only Temple he built was for the Lord God. What he built for those other false gods were pagan shrines, not Temples...big difference giff...a shrine is not a Temple.

We Read in Scripture:

7 On the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, he even built a pagan shrine for Chemosh, the detestable god of Moab, and another for Molech, the detestable god of the Ammonites. 1Kings 11:7 NLT

giff my advice to you before you interpret Scripture, go see what a credible Christian website has to say or just ask me.

 

Practice of ancient tribe is not mentioned in post you are responding to - once again you completely avoid what was being discussed - in some kind of strange denial response .. murmuring sweet nothings to who knows who .. as this nothing in your response addresses the question "When does the soul arrive"

In response to what you did write however (notice that I actually respond to what you have written) if you don't care about the God of the Bible (as per religious practices of an ancient tribe of Jews) - Then quit speaking for this God .. and the book that doesn't matter to you .. as if it does matter to you - and as if you have some clue what the book actually says.

 

Actually, my response was to Jolly Penguin. You responded to that post of mine. I am not here to advance your point. Nor will I abandon mine at your command. You fuss over the child sacrifice practiced by an ancient tribe, while the entire world of modernites is sacrificing children by the millions, from conception and on to birth in some instances as if birth were an abomination to the spirit of abortion. You fault the purposeful God of ancient Jews with little to go on, yet ignore the leisure God of modernity which is right before your eyes. That said, I neither care nor know when the soul arrives. It's for God to know. And I'll stay far from it. To what end is your interest in the matter?