I believe we now have conclusive proof that Trump caused 1/6

There are no other words, there are only these words:

I believe it is, yes.

It's just an opinion.

 

I do believe, and there is evidence, I think, for this, that they wanted to delay the certification past the deadline so as to throw the vote to the house, where republicans have a two state advantage.

 

I don't know who is right there. But I will give you credit, your much more informed than most people I know and I respect you for that.

 

With due respect, Trump's "big lie' got 65 million to people believe Biden cheated and lose confidence in our electoral process, that's an injury to American democracy by orders of magnitude hitherto not seen in history.

Not much he did good makes up for that one.

There wasn't a day that went by that our president would not troll me, personally, as a democrat.

Bush never did that. Reagan never did that, Ford never did that. Nixon never did that.

Every day Trump did something outrageous, said something outrageous, he made my life, and the lives of my democratic brethren, absofuckinglutely miserable.

when california was ablaze with fires, he said to California

"Let California burn".

NO responsible president would ever say that, Reagan didn't say that, Bush didn't say that, For didn't say that, Nixon didn't say that.

he said to millions of people, got them to believe that 'the press is the enemy of the people'.

Well, I hate to tell you folks this, but whether or not you like the press, the ONLY thing that stands between tyranny and the citizenry is not your gun, but the free press, a free and vigorous press, love it or hate it, it is absolutely vital to liberal democracy, and that a president got half the nation to despise the press is an injury to America by another order of magnitude not seen in history.

No republican president ever did that. Even Nixon didn't do that. He did say, in private, that the press was the enemy, but not America's enemy, he was saying it was HIS enemy.

And Trump trolled millions of democrats daily. And those on his side, he duped them into believing we cheated.

That's not leadership. And, if you can't lead the entire nation, right and left, you have no right to be there.

 

Trump has lied many times, but I don't think he was lying about the vote being stolen. To be considered a lie you have to believe what your saying is untrue and I am convinced the video (Absolute Truth) convinced him the votes were compromised. The pillow guy believed it too. He offered 5 million dollars to anyone who could prove it wrong and only changed that when the guy in charge of making the video said he couldn't prove it was true to a night show host. The Pillow guy was scammed. But they believed what was said on the video.

I agree, a free press is vital to a free country. We depend on them telling us the truth and keep us informed. But they had it in for Trump, probably because Trump called them out from the start and they weren't honest and they didn't keep us informed. Almost everything they put out on Trump was negative. They reported next to nothing of any of the good things Trump did.THEY WERE DETERMINED TO GET tRUMP OUT AND MADE SURE THAT THEIR LISTENERS HEARD ONLY WHAT THEY WANTED THEM TO HEAR ABOUT tRUMP. Sorry for the capital letters, I must have hit the capital button. I have no doubt in my mind they held back most of the news of the good things he did and made sure they kept track of the bad. Played up their misinterpretation on some of the things he said. That is the truth, they did that. We didn't have an honest press with Trump.

 

Your right, I have never saw any other President talk and act like Trump. He never acted Presidential. Said just what he felt. Trashed anyone who disagreed with him. Tried to take credit for every good thing that happened. I hated it when he did one of his question and answer gigs. He always had to say my, me or my administration did this. I know more than anyone else. He kept talking and bragging. I wanted him to shut up and let someone else do the talking for him. If not for what he accomplished and how much he loved this country, I couldn't stand the man. But he did do a lot. Turned this country around from the direction Obama took it. Fixed NATO, the VA, got the military back in good shape. Got several of our bad trade changed. I could fill this page with all the good things he did and most Democrats no almost none of them. I have no problem naming his faults. I don't look at him as some kind of God. But I do look at what he did and I have never seen another President in my long life do as much as Trump was able to do in just three years. I don't count last year because of the virus and all the business closed down. He did so much it really is unbelievable. That is why I like Trump. My country comes first. Got to get to bed, got to get up early tomorrow. Nice discussing issues with you.

 

It was Benedict Donald's Chief of Staff that made the claim, not the FBI, Guard or Mayor.

 

Benedict Donald LIES when the truth would serve him better, what "HE" believes has nothing to do with what he says because he has no belief's other than what is best for him. The man is devoid of morals or moral compass. He is guided by what's best for him in the moment.

Reporting on Donald Judas tRump is by the nature of the man, negative. I believe you think the "media" skewed the news negatively about tRump, but what you believe has nothing to do with reality when it comes to tRump. We AbsaByGodLutely had as honest a press "with Trump" as we've had with any President; the problem was tRump is inherently dishonest.

Trump loves himself. <-period EVERYTHING he did in office was done with getting reelected in mind. "He turned the country around" from a century of being THE world leader to being the butt of the joke of World Leader's. Before he was finished NO country in the world looked to us for leadership or trust. No president has done more damage to our world image than Benedict Donald in his first year, 3 years, in his full ONE (thank God) term. Of course you don't "count the last year" because he spent it dividing America and AmeirCAN's that make his effort in that direction pale in comparison. His fear that the virus would ruin his chance to be elected guided him to lie and obfuscate it's seriousness and many people died, that shouldn't have, because of his failure to deal with it. He was so busy trying to keep his job that he failed to do his job; and AmeriCANs died.

His maladministration would have been bad enough IF he had just accepted his loss and quietly followed the American tradition of peaceful transfer of power. But, no, he had to be him and lie and cheat and put pressure on everyone with any authority in the matter to do the same, and then "let him handle it". Culminating in the first attack, EVERY, by Americans (his followers) on OUR Government in an effort to keep OUR elected officials from doing their job. They broke into OUR Capitol, the most beautiful public building in the world, the seat of Government by the People and wrecked on it, defaced it and defiled it with their **** and piss, while they attempted to hunt down OUR Representatives, Senators and Vice President to harm or kill them. He went pretty far wrong, watching it all on T.V. and refusing to call an end to the destruction. IF you take his whole life into consideration you couldn't fill a match book cover with truth his told or"good he's done". He is the most vile, despicable human being that's ever lived. Because of the his lack of love of country and the multitudinous AWFUL things he accomplished while president I can't stand the man.

Your right, your left ... you're wrong about Donald Judas tRump.

 

Lol why would his plan be “rely upon a bunch of people that may or may not show up and then may or may not do something they were not directed to do”...when all he had to do was declare a national emergency?

 

That is the worse conclusive proof, ever.

But you are claiming conclusive proof. That means there is no other possibility. The other possibilities are practically unlimited.

 

The News has the duty to tell the truth. They were at war with Trump and the step back to reality that his administration represented. Where we are today is where Obama/Biden was leading us and not all of us liked it then or now.

 

I support all who were personally involved in attempts to subvert the certified results of the 2020 presidential election - such as Trump's goons who attacked Congress on January 6 - sharing what they know with the nation. I would begin by exposing the Loser's behavior during the hours those who had supported him pleaded with him to stop his goons' attack for hours, and how he responded to those entreaties during that assault upon American democracy.

I find the pretexts contrived by some to conceal such truths unpersuasive.

 

Didn't say it was them that said it. I was saying it was them that said that they needed it. They weren't talking of only protecting Trump's people. They were thinking of the problems that could be had with such a large crowd protesting at the Capital.

 

The Loser did not call off his goons during the three hours he reportedly watched them attacking the Capitol to which he had deployed them, after lying to them that he was going there with them.

Despite Trump's campaign promises (that resulted in his losing the popular vote by only 2.9 million in 2016) - building his "big, beautiful wall!" and making "Mexico!" pay for it, replacing "ObamaCare" with "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!", resurrecting coal mining, reviving the steel industry, restoring manufacturing (He only increased the unemployment rate by two percentage points!), reducing the deficit, rebuilding the nation's crumbling infrastructure,(and, presumably, contriving pretexts to "Lock up Hillary!"), over seven million Americans voted to dump him at their first opportunity. (His braying that he had the pandemic "under control!" with everyone "getting better!" as it decimated the populace may have ben a factor.)

He lost.

He lacked and still lacks the integrity to respect the will of the People. His goons who swallowed his lie about a stolen "Landslide!" were only one ugly expression of his contempt for American democracy. He is a chronic whiner when it come to election results he doesn't like. The mainstay of our self-governance must be "fake!", "fixed!" if he doesn't win.

He lost recounts. He lost audits. He lost dozens of court appeals. He lost his attempts to pressure Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state to alter certified votes.

Over a year later, not a single suspect in his alleged nationwide conspiracy has been named. No explanation has been offered as to how this vast network of subversive enemies - Republicans conspicuous among them - had pulled off their diabolical caper. Not a clue.

As Trump's goons are being prosecuted and convicted - or confessing - patriotic Americans called to testify before Congress who respect the truth should be sharing what they know, not hiding it - regardless of whether it is exculpatory or otherwise.

The most pithy, succinct, sage advice for the Loser at this overripe stage was offered by a Republican, the longest-serving congressman, 88-year-old Don Young of Alaska, who acknowledged the futility of his patriotic injunction, indifferent that he is adding his name to the Cry Baby Loser's already teeming personal vendetta list.

"Just shut up — that's all he has to do.
He's not going to. I know that."

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I replied to his notion that because he supposedly could have stopped it, that therefore he caused it. There is no such connection between those two separate actions.

I am not sure why you are prattling on about something else and then acting as if I am ignoring the point to which I responded.

 

What Schiff did was to cherry pick text for a negative political end. What Meadows did was copy and paste what a lawyer said was legally possible.

 

That is where your logic is faulty. You dont know why they believed he could stop it. You are falsely pretending as if their belief that he could stop it means that he started it.

If a bunch of MLK devotees had gotten violent, it would be entirely logical for MLK handlers to suggest that he try to do something to try to get them to stop, not because MLK caused the violence, but because his followers may very well listen to his pleas to stop. Nowhere in there is a connection between his handlers belief that he may be able to get them to stop, and proof MLK having caused their violence. With your logic, we would have to falsely conclude that therefore MLK caused any violence coming from his devotees.

When Rodney King called for everyone to just get along which helped to quell the violence, that in no way means that Rodney King is the person that ordered the rioting. With your logic, we would have to conclude that therefore Rodney King ordered the rioting.

In truth, your logic does not make any sense. Having the ability to stop violence ( even if we assume that he could have), in no manner, shape, or form proves that he caused the violence. That notion is nothing short of preposterous. It is downright silly. It does not make a lick of sense.

 

I agree that you are drinking way too much kool aide.

 

Which obfuscates the point that, apparently, tRump was more worried about his insurrectionists than the Capitol.

 

Not surprising .. Why would Trump not be for the protesters - and this was not an insurrection by any stretch of the imagination - been quaffing down too much of that Blue Kool-aid the folks claiming this are.. some even moronic enough to cry "Coup"

The point of a protest is to create a disturbance is it not ? .. sure it got a little out of hand .. the flames of liberty need to be fanned from time to time .. and who can fault ol Carrot Top for that

 

If you are laboring under the misconception that Trumpers intimately aware of the White House's involvement before and during the attack on Congress by Trump goons in which 140 police were injured are trying to conceal what they know in the interest of the truth being revealed, you are quite wrong.

The lie you parrot is propagandistic poo poo, of course.[/QUOTE]

Focus: "Congressional hearings have nothing to do with "full disclosure" -- surely you know that...." Ddy So, do you know that - or not?

 

If you believe that those intimately involved in Trumpy communication during his goons' attack should conceal what they know from a Congressional inquiry into that assault on our democracy, that clarifies your priorities.

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Sorry, but January 6th meets the text book definition of "insurrection".

insurrection

insurrection, an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity by a group of its citizens or subjects; also, any act of engaging in such a revolt.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/insurrection-politics

It's terrible optics for tRumpublicans and conservatives ... AND ... America and AmeriCANs in general, but what happened on January 6th 2021 was an Insurrection. <-period

And it could also be classified as sedition.

"Sedition" is the "incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority," according to Merriam-Webster."

Just because the justice department has shied away from charging the insurrectionists with "insurrection, sedition or treason", probably because of the optics of such charges historically, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I think it's your juice jug that's full of Kool-Aide.

It got a "LITTLE" out of hand? 5 people died, one shot while attempting to get at our Congress Folk and harm them. Doors and windows, furniture and statues were destroyed. Priceless artifacts ransacked and the insurrectionists pissed in the halls and wiped their **** on the walls of the most beautiful public building in the world. They weren't fanning the flames of freedom they were there to set fire to the Constitution and Government by the People.

 

Sgt. Schultz! Hogan! I know nothing! Good stuff.

But seriously, all these Trump people refusing to testify can't make them look innocent.

 

Trump was irresponsible, but no, he didn't cause the riot. He did rile them up and they did act with him in mind, but he also did tell them to go home.

He was a narcissist and a blowhard without a filter, but he wasn't the Hitler people on the left are so desperate to paint him as.

I think you should be more on guard for who may come next. And I think you should be more on guard for what your government has been up to while Trump has provided so much distraction.