US says it will send troops to eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine

I don't agree that placing troops in Poland and the Baltics is doing nothing. Having troops there could prevent Putin from invading the EU when he is done with Ukraine and Moldova.

Biden will also likely escalate the transferal of guns and anti-tank missiles to Ukraine.

Putin waited until after the Olympics to launch his 2008 invasion of Georgia and 2014 invasion of Ukraine.

 

I disagree. Reinforcing Poland and Romania could prevent Russia from invading the EU.

Russia has had an ongoing invasion of Ukraine since 2014.

But yes, if China invades Taiwan it will be war.

Without using nuclear weapons, Russia doesn't have the ability to sink US aircraft carriers, strike American cities, or kill lots of US troops.

If they want to have a war with us, either conventional or nuclear, we are able to bring that war to them.

I don't see it. But if it's true that's still OK. If it comes to that, we have more than enough nukes to smash Russia.

I doubt it. They aren't ready.

But if they do, it will mean war.

 

You sound a lot like I did in the late 1980's -- back when we had reduced the Soviet Union to oblivion, and China was turned into a servile, wanna-be beggar-stooge for our corporate off-shore ambitions. Things have changed, and NOT to our advantage.

Mark my words -- remembering that I view both Russia and China clearly as ADVERSARIES... together, their budding economic/military alliance will boot us from any real significance in the entire Eastern Hemisphere in less than ten years from today, at the rate we're going! We're finished, and now about all we can hope to do is try to curtail Chinese influence from Mexico all the way to the South Pole.

Truth? In both Russia and China, we're dealing with powerful people who are, very frankly, SMARTER than we are... and now we will suffer because of it. And to make matters worse, we have saddled our government with doctrinaire, 'woke', myopic morons who hate this country and everything that made it "great" back when it WAS "great"! What hope do we have to turn the tide against Saul Alinsky's disciples, who have the controlling power, and who HATE THIS COUNTRY?!

 

1) Just a quick visit to correct a few errors. .. Russia has been able to sink our carriers with conventional weapons since the mid 90's when they introduced the Sunburn - worlds first super -sonic anti ship cruse missile .. a decade ahead of anythign we had at the time .. and at the time we had no defense.. Things havn't changed much in the defense department .. but the anti ship missiles have gotten a whole lot better.

Shortly after the sunburn India joined into the party .. then China .. so we have had a consortia of 3 nations working on this technology

2) your desire for self annihilation is rearing ugly head again .. just Jonesing for "MAD"

 

Putler wouldn't be able to invade the EU successfully....he wouldn't be totally successful in Ukraine....not with 175k troops....for any kind of success ...he would need to commit 600-700k....which is currently all of Russkis current forces....it would involve massive casualties...and decades long insurgency that's well organized. There would be sanctions from hell....and the loyalty of Putinkas oligsrch buddies would be tested harshly since their money and lifestyle would be greatly affected. I would hazard a guess this would be Putinkas "Ceaucescu moment "?

 

Very simplistic assessment - lacking any depth or knowledge of history. .. Nato's been poking bear for decades .. now again is pushing against a red line.. Your ABM claims are laughable ... "No threat to anyone"..

For someone who continuously declares " Everything I say/said is correct" - you sure get a whole lot of things wrong.

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Things aren't that bad. The Obama Administration developed a nifty little tactical nuke with unprecedented accuracy so it can score direct hits on invading Russians while causing little collateral damage to the rest of Europe.

We are also developing long range conventional missiles that will be able to shell Russia from within the EU.

The US Navy retains the ability to sweep Russian and Chinese shipping from the oceans.

We are also building a fleet of unmanned stealth bombers which will allow us to freely pummel Russia and/or China from the air.

If either or both of these nations wants war, we can bring it to them.

 

I suspect that Russia is not going to try to capture all of Ukraine. I suspect that Russia is only going to try to capture Odessa and the north coast of the Black Sea.

But let's hope you're right and Russia gets bogged down in unending war if they expand their invasion of Ukraine. If nothing else it will keep them too busy to worry about invading the EU.

 

First, US warships are nowhere near as helpless against anti-ship missiles as you claim.

Second, even if one of these anti-ship missiles did strike a US carrier, it would damage the carrier but not sink it.

Third, anti-ship missiles have a certain range, and all the US Navy needs to do in order to completely avoid them is stay beyond that range.

Wrong. I am well aware of history.

No they haven't. That is just Russian propaganda to justify their aggression.

No they aren't. NATO has never had any plans to install such missiles in Ukraine. And if Russia had not been treating Ukraine very badly then Ukraine would never have been willing to host such missiles.

Putin's whining about imaginary missiles is just more propaganda to justify Russia's aggression against other countries.

NATO also has had no plans to install offensive missiles in Poland and Romania. However as Russia keeps attacking more and more countries, it is only a matter of time before NATO does so.

Laughing at reality does not make it any less real.

And when those harmless ABMs are supplemented with actual missiles for attacking Russia, Russia will have no one to blame but themselves.

Wrong. Everything that I've said remains correct.

 

Putinka wants all of Ukraine....not just part of it....he already occupies a small piece...DPR,and Crimea.

Invade the EU?.....and Mafialand will breathe its last and brief breath..

 

You are welcome to your belief that Russia's nuclear arsenal does not factor into our decision to nuke them ... I just don't share it .. and nor does any other sensible person.

 

All my long life, I've lived in a world where the United States and the Soviet Union/Russian Federation held each other in check using the doomsday protocol of "mutual-assured-destruction"... the famous "MAD" understanding that kept the Cold War from becoming World War III.

Today, I'm not sure at all that we, the United States, would really be willing to use our largest nuclear weapons -- even in retaliation for an all-out attack by Russia and its military ally, the other very formidable nuclear power -- CHINA.

If you look at the United States today, through the eyes of a Russian or Chinese military strategist, you see a very powerful, technologically capable array of armed forces -- but one which is ruled completely by a intractable, fractionalized, ineffective civilian government in which two opposed factions who thoroughly HATE each other fight constantly and bitterly for control. The question these Russians and Chinese analysts consider is tantalizing -- exactly what would the Americans do if we and our allies suddenly confronted them with a choice: step down from your post-World War II dominance of the entire world and its economy, or, we will utterly destroy your country, east and west, border to border!

Realistically, what do you think the Biden Administration and a Congress dominated by a Democrat Party majority would actually do...?

We all may get a very revealing preview during 2022 when (not if) Russia goes into Ukraine, and China 'absorbs' Taiwan....

 

China talks tough....but realistically know what side the breads buttered on....Chinos are heavily tied in with Western financial institutions....they're not about to risk anything catastrophic.....Kremlin has recently visited Beijing to try to convince the Chinos to abandon SWIFT financial service.....im sure Chinos will show what road to hit for the Russki....)

 

One thing is for sure, Zoom... the surest way that we could rein China in is to coordinate a total embargo on all food exports to China! Only about 12.5% of the land mass of China is even capable of growing food crops, and with a population of 1.4 BILLION people who expect to eat every single day, Beijing has a very demanding tightrope to walk. Consider: as it is, much of the Chinese population eats the kind of crap that you and I wouldn't even have in the house, much less in our stomachs....

But, the problem that arises is -- does the United States still have enough 'clout' to enforce an effective food embargo against China...? I don't think so.

 

What do you mean by our largest? At what yield do you think we would draw the line against using nuclear weapons?

Russia is already in Ukraine. They went into Ukraine in 2014. What they are considering doing now is expanding their invasion deeper into Ukraine.

It is unlikely that China is ready yet for an attack on Taiwan.

Keep in mind that if the US and China ever go to war, the US Navy will put an end to Chinese shipping across the oceans until the end of the war.

Perhaps Russia could send them food overland, but China shouldn't count on any shipments coming in from overseas.

 

I'm not saying that we will just nuke Russia for no reason at all. Keep in mind the circumstances under which I say we would nuke Russia: if Russia nukes us or our allies first.

If Russia nukes us or our allies, the fact that Russia has even more nuclear weapons will not stop us from nuking Russia back.

We will also nuke Russian invaders on EU soil if they invade the EU and the invasion cannot be dislodged with conventional force. But that doesn't count as nuking Russia itself.

 

France/England have nukes....unless the Russkis have a death wish....and invasion into EU not happening.

 

There are also NATO nukes stored in Belgium, the Netherlands, western Germany, and northern Italy.

The Obama Administration developed a new tactical nuke with unprecedented accuracy so it can score direct hits on invading Russians:

https://fas.org/blogs/security/2013/09/b61-12holland/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2013/10/b61-12hearing/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/01/b61capability/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/02/b61-12pictures/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/03/b61-12integration/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/04/b61-12features/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2015/11/b61-12_cartwright/
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2016/01/b61-12_earth-penetration/

Being able to score direct hits means that it can be set to a much lower yield, resulting in much less collateral damage.

The first one of these new bombs came off the assembly line last month:

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/article...production-unit-b61-12-life-extension-program

 

Can y'all calm down and let me die in peace before you start WWIII? ...

 

The build up continues there are over a quarter million troops at the border.

Could they commence hostilities during the American Christmas holiday? New years? Russian Christmas?

 

I've been hearing theres troop buildup in Kaliningrad....and Belarus has either closed or reduced embassy personnel in numerous countries.
Which could mean Vladdie is going for a double whammy....all of Ukraine ,and a corridor into the enclave. Quite the power play if he can pull it off.

With all the hardware that's being gathered....Putinka either goes "all in" and rolls the dice....or blinks and looks weak and incompetent.

Wonder if he's being pushed....or Shoigu has an agenda of his own?

 

I've been following this situation as closely as I can but I cannot find the info about 250,000 Russians massed on the Ukraine border now.

The only reference I've found to that number specifically is a mention that there are supposedly a total of 250,000 personnel in the Ukrainian military. Please, could you give us a link? It would be a BIG development if Putin has done this....

 

Yeah, cause were on the brink of civil war because of who again ?

Pssst…..You may want to re-rad the Mueller report

 

Actually, it's accurate to see this whole 'Biden' fiasco as the thing it was designed to be from the beginning -- OBAMA'S THIRD-TERM!

And if you think THIS is bad, just wait until the 'wokesters' stick MICHELLE in there in the next few years!

 

Nobody's invading anybody

China is NOT invading Taiwan. It's a cash cow for them and such invasion would give us a good reason to cancel the several trillion dollars debt we owe them and stop accumulating even more of it. China is indeed entering on yet another Great Age, and the USA is financing it.

Nor is Russia invading Ukraine. Why should they? They already have a Naval Base at Sevastopol. How many naval bases do you need to control a mid-sized inland sea with no real enemies? I will be concerned when they start fortifying Murmansk.

What has happened here is that the arms merchants are becoming alarmed that Biden and the Democrats are finally looking to upgrade our infrastructure instead of throwing more money at them for jets too dangerous for anyone to fly against opponents who no longer exist. Therefore they are telling their Chinese and Russian Social Club teas that they better start rattling those sabres or their daughters might have to actually learn something useful in those long years at the Sorbonne studying Medieval Romances.