Should the media be an advocate for democracy?

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't confirm anything of the sort.. and would never make such a moronic generalization ... not all right wingers are the same.
    While I suppose moronic generalizations are "completely expected" from some folks -- the raging masses are not well vesed in fallacy, - how does this explain why Fox and Breitbard so popular on the Left ?

    Can't make much sense out of your post mate..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah .. too bad we lost that right .. does this mean we are a dictatorship ?
     
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    It seems like you're sidestepping. It's not just a name; it's what we are and the first and foremost thing Americans should know and understand about their country. We are most accurately defined as a constitutional republic.

    The absence of a monarch is not the only reason we are a republic.

    I did some research. The Federalist Papers mentions “republic/republican” 205 times, all favorably. It mentions “democracy” 28 times, all in negative contexts. It does not mention “democratic republic” or “representative democracy.” The word “democratic” is mentioned six times: Once in a neutral context and five times in negative contexts.

    “Democracy,” or any derivative thereof, is not mentioned in the Constitution, its Bill of Rights, or any of its other 17 Amendments. In fact, “Democracy,” or any derivative thereof, is not mentioned in any of our founding documents or The Declaration of Independence.

    As we all know, the people do not elect the president. We recommend to the Electoral College members whom to vote for. I say "recommend" because though members of the EC are sworn to follow the popular vote, they are not required to do so. And even then, I believe the House and/or the vice president can negate the outcome.

    What the Founders Thought About Democracy - EPautos - Libertarian Car Talk (ericpetersautos.com)

    Consider the words of the Founding Fathers themselves, who — one after another — condemned democracy.

    • Virginia’s Edmund Randolph participated in the 1787 convention. Demonstrating a clear grasp of democracy’s inherent dangers, he reminded his colleagues during the early weeks of the Constitutional Convention that the purpose for which they had gathered was “to provide a cure for the evils under which the United States labored; that in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and trials of democracy….”

    • John Adams, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, championed the new Constitution in his state precisely because it would not create a democracy. “Democracy never lasts long,” he noted. “It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself.” He insisted, “There was never a democracy that ‘did not commit suicide.’”
    Please read much more by clicking the link.


    Section 1 - The Legislature

    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    As you can see, the Founders did all they could to show we are not a democracy and to prevent any interpretation that we are. It is a common misunderstanding that the public schools have likely taught for some time.

    I pledge allegiance to the flag...and to the republic, for which it stands...

    Thanks.
     
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  4. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm. I thought the media is supposed to be neutral.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That would definitely make it easier for those who can't tell the difference between facts and opinions. But it would not be fair for those of us who can.

    Maybe if there was a label "Opinion" or "News". But then Fox would have to remove the word "news" from its name, given that it is all opinion. And, at that, not even informed opinion given that the pundits are not knowledgeable about anything whatsoever.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No!!! It's the only reason we are CALLED a Republic. The ONLY reason why our forefathers (or anybody, for that matter) use the word "Republic" is because we are not a Monarchy. Plain and simple....
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Did I actually need to add "... nor do I give a rat's ass who he is or what he believes"?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Well, there' s your excuse for not even attempting to have balanced reporting.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes you did...

    First
    And then..
    Thus admitting that, in your opinion, "good" media is not "objective" media. If you want to retract you statement (as well you should), be my guest. But don't try to deny what anybody can go back and check.
     
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    Balanced in what sense?
     
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    Aristotle66 Banned

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    Like good people on both sides? Do we have to think nazis are good people?
     
  12. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Lafayette Park being cleared for a photo op for Trump was a lie. It was cleared so a contractor could install a fence around a church that had been burned in a riot.
    Trump colluded with Russia. Mueller couldn't find any such thing.
    Trumps "Muslim Ban" in which he only banned 5 countries where Muslims predominately came from...all of them on a list that was pointed to by the Obama Administration as being likely places were terrorists would come from. He certainly did not ban all or even most Muslims from coming here.
    Trump built cages. False, Obama did though.
    Trump called white supremacists "very fine people", a lie that is still going today. He explicitly said he was not talking about neo-Nazi's and white supremacists and that those should be condemned yet the media still ran with their false accusation.
    Nicholas Sandman was a racist punk kid that refused to move for a native american that was just passing by....a lie. They never corrected and kept reporting that. As a result Sandman is now a very rich young man.

    And there are SOOOO many more things.

    I WISH we had a media that was biased towards facts. Unfortunately we have a majority of media that is biased towards its own profit and pushing the agenda of progressives and the DNC.
     
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    Thanks for showing my above post correct on one aspect at least.
     
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    Thanks for showing I am correct.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Balanced is balanced. There is no alternate way of being balanced.
     
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    So, in a discussion of genocide you need to have a pro-genocide person presenting their views?
     
  17. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    News media should not even be having discussions. Thier job is to report.
     
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    When reporting about genocide, they need to give the pro-genocide opinion?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Apparently you don't know what it means for a reporter to report something. And that is why you think there is no problem with our media.
     
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    Where did I say there is no problem?!
     
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    That is hilarious! But off-topic.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    See, you bought into the propaganda so much that you still refuse to accept the truth.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Proof your claim or shut yer Gob .. blathering false accusations - giving no support for claim.

    Any moron can throw insults from the peanut gallery mate ..
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. I would NEVER be so gullible to believe that a contractor decided to build a fence right in the middle of the largest protests in the nation's capitol.
     
  25. sec

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    uh huh

    and all of the sources that you seek pushed Russia Russia Russia

    gimme a freakin break
     

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