Jesus doesn't want you to get the Vaccine

What part of .. What are you claiming .. do you not understand. I went over this link and guessed what you might be claiming.. was my guess correct ? What on earth are you claiming ? Vax is good .. vax bad .. ? Good grief this is like pulling teeth.

 

I think you may be misinterpreting these results.

The CDC is undoubtedly right that there is enough transmission of omicron among those vaccinated to warrant mask recommendations for those vaccinated.

However, I don't see evidence that the study was designed to compare transmissibility for those vaxed with those unvaxed.

Do you? Did I miss something?

If there isn't something more specific to this issue, then this is a similar problem to the problems of the InfoWars assault on medical science.

 

I didn't comment on that.

I commented on the InfoWars attack on science.

In general, I would say that these one-off "studies" are leading to analyses that are NOT reviewed by professionals and are being interpreted to mean stuff that is not supported by the study design.

It's better to watch the professionals at CDC, FDA, NIAID, WHO, etc., as they are professionals who care about the issue. After all, it is central to their job function.

InfoWars cares ONLY about the politics. And, it does not matter to them AT ALL if they get caught in abject lies, let alone bad analysis.

 

What are you talking about .. this wasn't a Clinical Trial ? speaking of misinterpretation .. and of course the transmissibility was compared..

What part of 74% obviously 26% unvaxed - and from the second link provided " In Massachusetts at the time of the outbreak, 69% of adults were fully vaccinated" So your just wrong .. and this has little bearing on my claim .. which was simply to state how early the CDC acknowledged that the Vax was not protecting against Transmission very well.

How is that a "Misinterpetation" ?
Massachusetts outbreak demonstrates Delta variant's transmissibility
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...-demonstrates-delta-variants-transmissibility

 

I am still waiting for YOUR CITATION wil. wtf is it?

Why should they be any different than you wil?

 

So now Jesus is the Father when he intentionally said he was not.

 

Look .. if you don't want to talk about Info wars .. thats fine .. but either tell me what Science you think was being attacked by Info -Wars .. as I have asked 5 times now .. or stop talking about it..

 

There are issues such as how the sample was selected.

Samples are selected for specific reasons. They can be chosen to reflect the current experience of hospitals. They can be chosen to examine transmissibility. They can be chosen to compare transmission rates between two protection strategies.

These call for different sampling strategies.

In this case, I don't see a sampling strategy that would justify a comparison of protection between being vaccinated and not being vaccinated.

In the case of InfoWars, they went on to suggest that being vaccinated caused one to be in WORSE shape!!

That was just plain stupid use of the specific dataset.

 

The title of this thread should have been:

"If you are a Christian Jesus does not want you to get vaccinated???"

But I just went with it-lol

 

There was no sampling strategy -- it was an "Outbreak" duh .. not a clinical study.- all those who showed up sick .. were the one's who showed up sick. You don't understand what you are talking about .... spouting general criticisms one could say about any study .. and of course giving no reason why the criticism applies to this data set - because it doesn't ..."Outbreak"

The Data from the Mass outbreak was good enough for the CDC to change it's guidance ... but not good enough for you I guess .. is this the hill you seriously want to stand on ?

The fact of the matter - is that I did not put much emphasis on this study .. even though the CDC sure did .. other than pointing out the "Somethings Wrong" moment .. the "That's a bad Result" Moment ..as it is not just a "Bad Result" .. it is a downright horrible result.. as far as prevention of transmission is concerned.

but Mass was not the primary basis for claim .. not even close ... The Israeli study - the first nation to get its pop vaccinated - had already reported the same -- again these were not "Clinical Studies" which you seem not to understand the difference .. this is Meta-data .. looking at who actually showed up sick .. not who we think might get sick on the basis of anti-body level.

This however was right at the beginning just after the vax had been rolled out . Since that time .. much has happened .. Delta being one of those things. Data set after Data set showed the same thigng .. vax doesn't significantly prevent transmission .. other studies - one's on viral load and so on - were in keeping with the Real world observation.

The only question at this point was not if this vax was horrible at preventing transmission .. the question was "how bad was it" Israeli Studies since that time were damning .. The London Study - same thing .. Vax don't significantly prevent transmission .. no significant difference observed between vaxed and unvaxed households.

Now -- we have Omicron - long since we have already figured out that this is not really a "Vaccine" - in terms of being able to prevent a virus from spreading through the population .. long after "Not preventing Transmission" (sans perhaps a little - but not significant) was the concensus view .. Despite moron's like Fauci still goint on TV pretending the Vax prevents transmission by upholding the mandates . claiming the Vax would "Stop this thing" ...

This - should give you serious pause .. it is the thing I find most disturbing --

Now - we have Omicron .. which is completely useless at preventing transmission according to the data coming out of numerous places .. this being no surprise. What is also happening though .. is that the effectiveness in reducing severe disease is also in question.

Fortunately however, the virus itself has become far less pathogenic... so while the Fauci Clownshow will try to claim .. "Look the vax worked" .. on the basis of decreasing hospitalization/ Death (knock on wood) it had nothing to do with the vax .. everything with the virus doing what was predicted to do .. what I told you and others a long time ago .. right at the beginning of the pandemic .. the natural tendency of a virus to become more contageous but less pathogenic..

Now stop this nonsence .. the Vax does Squat in preventing Transmission... There is no serious debate anywhere in Acadamia .. not by any of the orgs you posted ... in your Appeal to Authority Fallacy -

What part of CDC recognized this fact .. change policy on this basis back in July .. prior to Delta taking over - do you not understand ?

Now Please -- do go gently into that good night on this one... as this is getting disturbing .. for reasons discussed previously.

- where over and over again .. outbreak after outbreak .. we saw the same thing. Vaxed folks getting infected at a ridiculously high rate - in comparision to how a vax is supposed to protect - how a real vax works .. ie actually preventing transmission ..

 

It would certainly be interesting to see how people decide which medical procedures and medicines they think God likes and which ones they think God doesn't like.

 

No, there absolutely WAS a sampling strategy.

The strategy was to accept all those who came to the hospitals.

That's a perfectly good strategy for answering SOME questions, but it is NOT good enough to answer other questions.

CDC believed the data justified their decision. But, they operate from an abundance of caution, with the product being policy.

I don't see signs that they accepted the "analysis" that InfoWars promotes.

I addressed that one study.

The other studies you mention have been addressed in the past.

And, I do not see any legitimate study indicating anything BUT that citizens (and those they contact) are WAY better off if they get the full vaccination regime - and somewhat better of if they get only part of that regime.

 

Didn't say there wasn't one - and the only think I used the study for was to answer the one question for which the study was perfectly good. That very early on .. the vax was horrible at preventing transmission .. and the CDC concurred.

No idea what analysis you are referring to .. so I don't see signs they accepted info wars either

You have yet to address anything coherently .. just desperate attempts to avoid the fact that the Vax is currently useless at preventing Transmission..

Further .. you have no clue whether or not folks are way better off from the Vax or Omicron. You have not done a relative risk calculation of any kind. but do feel free to share your calculations .. I am in need of a good laugh.

 

YOU said "There was no sampling strategy".

I think there WAS a sampling strategy. The strategy was to take everyone who showed up at the hospitals.

There are questions that data gathered using that strategy can answer and there are questions that kind of data can NOT answer.

I was CRYSTAL clear about what I addressed. You keep trying to broaden this issue into a general attack on the CDC and Dr. Fauci, using individual studies that are known to have real problems.

You are going WAY beyond the OP issue.

If you want to mount some attack on the CDC or Dr. Fauci, or discuss some other study, start a thread on that.

 

I said there was not sampling strategy like in a clinical study .. as you were conflating the two - having litte clue what you were talking about.

What part of .. the question that this Data did provide - was the the Vax right from the get go ... prior to Delta, was horrible at preventing transmission. What part of "Horrible at preventing Transmission" do you not understand ? ..

Now you are making up falsehoods .. I never attacked the CDC .. I presented information from the CDC.. reacting to how horrible the vax was at presenting transmission.

Then you claim "Problems" .. but have yet to come up with any .. spouting irrelevant nonsense such as "there are questions that can not be answered" ... when we are not talking about any of those questions .. is irrelevant nonsense .. not a problem at all in this study .. nor from the hoard of Data and studies that has come in from all over the world since then .. all of them confirming what by now is blatently obvious to anyone with eyes .. The Vax does not significantly prevent transmission .. and getting worse with each mutation.

Just because your position is hopelessly lost .. is no reason for you to falsely claiming that I attacked the CDC .. Mr. Strawman.

The OP is about the Vax - and Jesus. The Vax is useless at preventing Transmission .. and so Jesus would not want you to engaged in forced medical treatment on the basis of a lie - now would he ..

 

The data being used in the InfoWars piece is TOTALLY legit for many purposes. It is a PERFECTLY acceptable sampling strategy. It CAN be used for addressing some questions.

The catch is that it was being used to "answer" questions for which the sampling strategy was inappropriate.

I don't see evidence of your second claim above.

And, I do not see this thread as an appropriate place to address the broad range of issues concerning COVID and treatment.

Please create a thread on a SPECIFIC issue or study.

I'll comment on specific issues if I think I have something to contribute. Here, I've tried to stay focused on the InfoWars mistake.

 

Why do you keep talking about Info Wars .. in a desperate attempt deflect from the reality that the Vax does not significantly prevent Transmission.. and this thread is about the Vax .. perhaps go somewhere else if you can't deal with the Science .. and how Jesus would not approve of your approval of Gestapo tactics.

Good stuff out of Israel .. as early as Jan of this year .. long ago we were seeing that this Vax doesn't prevent transmission.
Study: COVID recovery gave Israelis longer-lasting Delta defense than vaccines
The variant was 27 times more likely to break through Pfizer protection from January-February and cause symptoms than it was to penetrate natural immunity from the same period
https://www.timesofisrael.com/study...s-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

and from the CDC - from back in August

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#!

What part of "Vaccines no longer prevent you from spreading covid" do you not understand .. Mate ?

 

Please. I commented on the InfoWars item, because it was posted in response to the OP and I think I had something to contribute to that.

I don't have to comment on everything you say, thank the gods.

If you want to advocate single studies in your attacks on Dr. Fauci, NIAID, the CDC, the FDA, WHO, and the rest of the world of medical science, I'd suggest you start a different thread, and I'd suggest you keep that new thread focused.

NO thread can POSSIBLY discuss all the issues of COVID science and policy.

 

youve contributed enough wil, no need for more

it was never the intention of any vaccine to prevent spreading, it dont work that way, except in wilburland, the intention of all vaccines are to prevent you from getting it once its spread to you.

 

Hmm. The emoji argument. Good job!

 

I dont even need that to argue against the nonsense disinfo you post wil.

this is vaccine 101 and you cant even get that right.

 

You don't need to translate your emoji into words.

 

This thread is like reverse psychology.

I'm pretty sure the Christian sects telling their flocks not to get the vaccine always do the opposite of what people outside their sect tell them what they should do.

So hopefully, by telling them not to get the vaccine, they get the vaccine.

 

Wherever you stand, there is a lot of good wisdom in the Bible.

I pray.

Sometimes I watch sermons on TV.

Sometimes I listen to Christian music.

But I'm not a member of any church.

I've just had some bad experiences with organized religion.

 

Once and for all:

Jesus wants you to get the vaccine.