Here you go again : """A fetus is a baby a human being.""" ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body""" Does that "nobody" include fetuses ??? It HAS to if a fetus is A human being. YOU are saying fetuses should never have rights over someone else's body ...
Huh? If it is a human with rights, the unintentional killing of it is a crime. If you say it is not then there is a major contradiction in your argument. I am confused. So, you are saying it is not human now?
You don't know what that word means. you already asked me if it had rights. And I answered. You shouldn't need to post this It most definitely is human I mean it's not a giraffe
It's not a person, either. And, you don't know how much "value" it has. You don't know if it is likely to kill the woman. You don't know if it will survive to birth. You don't know if it has defects that will prevent it from surviving after birth. You just don't know. Yet, you claim to know. Are you going to report me for pointing that out?
Agreed More than nothing. none of this is justification to kill it I claim to know what I don't know what this means.
The fact that it could kill the woman absolutely IS a justification for termination. The others have to do with moral/ethical choices that are very clearly in the realm of an individual's personal beliefs. Some may see that a birth that results in a short, painful life is "value" while others see early termination as the only ethical solution. Some may see the death of the woman as acceptable as long as the fetus is rescued at the last moment. Others may see this choice as not acceptable. These are not choices for the government to make.
you could kill me is that justification for me terminating you? still got to go with every human being alive started out as that if you were making the argument instead question should only be legal if the baby won't survive then you would have a point. But no doubt your support the ones right to terminate even if the pregnancy is perfectly healthy and there's nothing wrong. So that excuse is not an honest one for you to make. [QUOTE Some may see the death of the woman as acceptable as long as the fetus is rescued at the last moment. Others may see this choice as not acceptable.[/QUOTE] there are only 17 deaths per 100,000 childbirths so this isn't a real problem that people have to consider. Not the government, society. How do you feel about the choice of government to enforce vaccination?
It should. Either abortion and vaccination are both personal choices that we each have the right to make for ourselves ...or they both arent. Attempt to say one is and the other isnt is just partisan intellectual disinegenuousness on its face that most people on both 'sides' are shamelessly OK with ignoring while they engage in it. Vaccination can be morally obligatory without being coerced by the govt. Abortion can be morally reprehensible without being restricted by the govt. But most everyone seems to prefer to force their morality onto others, and thats why we're all losing more andmore of our rights.
This is obvious nonsense. However, remember that when there is merely strong evidence of this inten, we absolutely do lock people up. The issues of death penalty for people is a separate issue, as has been shown in the past. You don't get to claim I said something that I did not say. Or, are you calling me a liar? There are two major problems with this logic. First, the current situation offers abortion as a choice, so the number of deaths in childbirth is lower. The issue here is whether that number should INCREASE. Second, every death of person is of serious interest. We have a constitutional duty to not have people being required to die.
it's the exact same logic you used applied to something else. This is how I know your logic is broken. I'm saying your point is dishonest. You may not know that and since liar means person who intentionally is dishonest no I'm not calling you a liar. right your point is dishonest you brought up risk to the mother's life not me and the risk to the mother's life is less than 1% so that's not justification for killing it This extremely minimal risk that can be determined before the pregnancy is carry the term is not justification for terminating. If it was you would support the abortions in the case that it puts is a serious risk to the mother's life. It's like the Ray Park in it or the incest argument if you only advocated for abortions in those cases then those arguments would be valid but you don't so they're not.
Yes, it IS hilariously ironic that the Pro-Choicers hold a double standard. It's being much talked about and laughed at.
Nonsense. The medical questions are rarely if ever so cut and dried. They almost always involve complications that require judgement calls. Your supposition that there are yes/no answers is just wrong.
But justification for killing it Without all of your emotional pleading or whataboutisms. It is whether you think it's wrong or not.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Here you go again : YOU : """A fetus is a baby a human being.""" ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body""" Does that "nobody" include fetuses ??? It HAS to if a fetus is A human being. YOU are saying fetuses should never have rights over someone else's body ... LOL... you walked right into that one and can't walk it back.... YOU : """A fetus is a baby a human being.""" ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body""" Does that "nobody" include fetuses ??? NO ANSWER FROM YOU !!!! It HAS to if a fetus is A human being....as YOU claim. YOU are saying fetuses should never have rights over someone else's body ...
LOL... you walked right into that one and can't walk it back.... PRETENDING to not understand is rather silly...... YOU : """A fetus is a baby a human being.""" ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body""" Does that "nobody" include fetuses ??? NO ANSWER FROM YOU !!!! It HAS to if a fetus is A human being....as YOU claim. YOU are saying fetuses should never have rights over someone else's body ... So you appear to be against abortion
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL... you walked right into that one and can't walk it back.... PRETENDING to not understand is rather silly...... YOU : """A fetus is a baby a human being.""" ""Nobody should ever have rights over someone else's body""" Does that "nobody" include fetuses ??? NO ANSWER FROM YOU !!!! It HAS to if a fetus is A human being....as YOU claim. YOU are saying fetuses should never have rights over someone else's body ... So you appear to be against abortion LOL... you walked right into that one and can't walk it back.... PRETENDING to not understand is rather silly......
I'm sorry I can't make heads or tails of your unhinged posts. You keep asking me the dumbest possible questions about things I never said. I can't help that.
No, I need to hear it from you; is a miscarriage manslaughter? If not, why? Doesn't the fetus have rights? So, in cases where the woman's life is in danger, why don't you suggest killing the woman and saving the fetus?
If the answer is no you are admitting it is not a human being with full rights. You have had plenty of time to think. Now, answer me.
where were you the first nine times I've said it? I did I told you to think about it if you can't pick up on the answer to your question then I don't think me telling you an answer is it going to help
