Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

Yes, through marriage or as refugees.

Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh's sisters are married to Israeli Bedouins. They live in Israel, near Beer Sheva, in a region frequently targeted by their loving brother's missiles.

 

Not as skilled workers?

Brotherly love.

 

From everything I've hear and read about the situation. I'm not on the ground, so as I wrote above, I could be have fed misinformation. Are you telling me that Palestine is a free and independent country not under Israeli rule whatsoever, and that Palestinians ALSO have full citizenship within Israel equal to other Israelis? Are you telling me both of those are true?

 

Thank you for the info. So, they are NOT given citizenship to Israel, but they are also don't have a fully independent country, correct? That's was my initial understanding, and I can't see Israel as having the moral high ground if people born in Palestine get neither equal citizenship in Israel or their own independent country free from Israeli rule/dominance. I've heard the Palestinian areas referred to as "open air prisons", which sounds like over the top rhetoric to me, but I can see why people would say that if the above is correct.

 

That is definitely bigotry, yes. The "Jews will not replace us" people etc... And that is entirely different from simply criticizing Israel or having concern over Israel lobbyists within other governements.

 

Why the hell would they? I'm Australian. Do I get given US citizenship?

 

Australia is a fully free nation. It isn't ruled remotely by Washington or anyone else (unless you count the Queen, but that is ceremonial only as it is for Canada). Australians are free to come and go from their country and not blockaded, etc. Foreign aid can reach Australia if there's a disaster without Washington or anyone else blocking it. Is that true for Palestine? I've heard it isn't.

 

Well don't you think that Palestinian people can be granted that freedom without having Israeli citizenship?

 

Yes. Hence why I said I can't see Israel having any moral high ground unless they grant Palestinians full equal Israeli citizenship OR their own free and independent country free from Israeli control. It would make no sense to do both. I've heard that they have done neither. If that's wrong, I am open to being corrected.

 

Many Palestinians work in Israel, but don't immigrate.

It gets better. Ismail Haniyeh's relatives are routinely treated in hospitals in Israel. Some of them were in Israeli hospitals during conflicts - hospitals in cities targeted by missiles from Gaza.

 

@Pisa, thoughts?

 

Errmmm...they dropped the bomb in a schoolyard?

 

@chris155au - Grau and Pixie have posted perfect examples of blatant anti-Israel bias. It would take a lot of bandwidth to properly analyze the articles, so I'll just highlight a good starting point to detect anti-Israel bias in an article: the writer doesn't bother to properly present the Israeli point of view. Another indicator is the flooding of the article with references to the international law, but all the arguments are based on UN resolutions which are not by themselves, and do not generate, international law.

My "article" was an amnesty international report, not a media article.

Are you accusing AI of bias??

 

During school hours?

 

AI is not at all to the left?

 

Because Israel does not allow or support Palestinian hospitals.

Israel is referred to as a collective just like any other state. We are not talking about Israeli individuals, bu the nation state and its politics.

This is a country which has been censured multiple times by the UN and has ignored every one of them.

THIS
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-co...20-versus-6-times-for-rest-of-world-combined/

Is a good example of media bias. The old "Israel is a victim" thing again.
Maybe Israel was censured far more than any other country because it breaks international laws more often than anyone else.

And before anyone starts in about that slick phrase "anti-semitic- whenever Israel is criticised, I can trace my JEWISH family back to the middle of the 17th century.

I simply call a spade a spade, with as full objectivity as I can see.

 

It is beyond reproach and much respected by the international community as being fair. Except the right call it left and the left call it right. So IMO it is pretty well unbiased.

The factual truth starts with the Nakba, continues through the theft of Palestinian aquifers, the forbidding of rail, sea and airports, the diverting most trade through Israel, the imprisoning of thousands of men, WOMEN AND CHILDREN without trial and with no end of term declared, the appropriation of vast areas of land (theft) for settlements and then the settlers burning or destroying Palestinian olive groves, their means of living. I could go on.
In return, Palestine hurls what are essentially weak rockets over the border, causing minor damage and hardly any loss of life.
I don't see any equivalency here.

 

Palestinian Interior Ministry said that an Israeli war drone launched a missile at Al Shate’ Elementary School for Boys in the West of Gaza.

The UN Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) confirmed that an Israeli war drone bombed one of its schools located in Al Shate’ Refugee Camp in the northwest of Gaza City.

No human casualties were reported in the attack, but security and UN sources reported material damage.

Due to insecure situation, the UNRWA said that it closed its school until the remains of the missile is removed the damage is repaired.

https://ppost24.com/post/796/israel-strikes-childrens-un-run-school-in-gaza

Other sources including UN agencies and Human Rights Watch confirm it.

Such was the international condemnation that Israel switched weapons to gas. And carried on.

BTW shells found at sites indicate they were made in the USA. No surprises there then.

 

In hindsight, the establishment of the Green Line between Israel on one side, Judea, Samaria and Gaza on the other, was a mistake. The rationale was that the demographic balance in Israel would be badly upset by adding a massive hostile Arab population. There was also the not so insignificant matter of terrorist organizations active among the Palestinians, and the relentless Arab propaganda against Israel being forced on Palestinians. Terrorists from the then Jordanian "West Bank" and the then under Egyptian military occupation Gaza were frequently infiltrating into Israel before 1967.

There was an attempt to resettle 1948 refugees living in the territories in Israel and grant them Israeli citizenship. Some refugees returned to Israel, but Arab leaders ordered the refugees to refuse such offers.

The Palestinians in Judea and Samaria had Jordanian citizenship, they were not stateless. The situation in Gaza was complicated, since Egypt never gave Gaza Arabs citizenship. Gaza Arabs were stateless.

The Oslo Accords were meant to rectify some of the mistakes made by various Israeli governments over the decades. The beginning of a journey to Palestinian statehood. Sadly, Palestinians themselves blew their chances to an independent country. First thing they did was a vicious attack against Israeli citizens on Israeli soil - the second Intifada. Then they split their future country in two and they keep fighting each other ever since. Besides, Israel is not going to allow Iranian proxies - Hamas and the Islamic Jihad - an independent state on its border.

All Palestinians in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, are citizens of the Palestinian Authority.

I think Arabs in Area C (under Israeli control according to Oslo Accords) should be granted Israeli citizenship, because Oslo is dead and hell will freeze ten times over before Palestinian leadership will get over their hatred of Jews and accept the existence of a Jewish state alongside a Palestinian state. Their stated goal is still the destruction of Israel, and that's not likely to win them a state as long as Israel has something to say about it.

For the Palestinian views on Israel and Jews, see the Palestinian Media Watch - Palestinian media translated to English:
https://palwatch.org/

 

My English might be a bit lacking, me thinks, because I don't understand the "lobbying within other governments" thingy. How does one lobby within a government?

 

Look up "AIPAC", the immensely strong Israeli lobby that tries to and often does guide US foreign policy. They nearly succeeded in persuading Bush to bomb Iran (where they fear nuclear development) than Iraq.
AIPAC and Israel tried to stop a book (found to be correct) describing Israel and American foreign policy. (Meersheimer and Walt...I recommend it).
US Law says there cannot be a national lobby in US government but it disguises itself as business lobby. Yep...national business.
It is well know for inviting new Congressmen to Israel for "a look around" and a hint that if the Invitee doesn't bend towards Israel, they won't be elected again.

https://www.paperbacksbooks.com/israel-and-american-foreign-policy/

 

Pisa, it is Israel which has consistently refused Palestine to gain statehood
because
that means it has a defined, legal border
and will stop Israel from violating it.
It would mean Israel has no legal authority in Palestine.
Palestine would gain international aid and support , military support and start to have its own economy.
Israel also fears Arab settlements and state aid...the one element I can have some sympathy with.

 

Way to downplay the rockets. So there's some loss of life. Who do Israel kill in cold blood?

 

Are you aware that Hamas's stated goal is the total destruction of Israel?

 

Before I answer your posts, I need some answers from you.

1. Are Australians threatening the US with missiles?
2. Are Australians perpetrating terror attacks against civilians on US soil?
3. Are Australians lynching American citizens on Australian soil?
4. Are Australians kidnapping American citizens for ransom?
5. Are Australians allied with the worst enemies of the US?
6. Are Australians determined to destroy the USA?

Moral high ground is irrelevant. It's an undefined expression. Morality is relative. Any brainwashed fanatic sincerely believes he has the moral high ground.

Israel's concern is, first and foremost, protecting the lives of Israeli citizens. There's no higher moral ground than that. Or are you suggesting that governments should sacrifice their citizens on the altar of undefined, relative morality?