Poll: Nearly 6 in 10 Republicans say they will not vote for any candidate who admits Biden won 'fair

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Where is this mountain of evidence?

Belligerently insisting something exists which you can't show proof of probably has more to do with why people think this then you're Boogeyman Donald Trump.

 

Seems like most of what you present is just insistence.

That's just you being belligerent, and every one of you leftists are exactly the same in this regard. You deny something because you don't want to believe it or it's inconvenient to your narrative, you label something misinformation because you don't like what it implies.

This is why the right seems to be so unyielding to you. Because your beliefs are far fetched.

Crying about it on the internet only gives people more reason to disregard your kooky fringe conspiracy theories.

 

We are facing a civil war at this point. Call me paranoid if you want but this Monster has spent the last year gaslighting his own supporters to completely ignore the fact that he does not have one shred of evidence to support his claim of "widespread election fraud."

He has convinced his supporters that breaking the law, hurting police officers, disobeying police officers and threatening people at their homes, jobs, places of worship and even at their kids' schools is acceptable.

He has convinced his supporters that Pence had the Constitutional authority to not certify the counts or to overturn them. He had neither. He honored his oath of office and kept his promise to his country.

He has convinced his supporters that any and every social media site has to ignore their own Terms of Use to let him spill his toxic waste to millions.

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Why did I write all that? Because, **now** that he has them convinced there is some kind of witch hunt against him, everything they see and hear is filtered through his BS and with that...we have this.

Once again, we have him using words to give the impression he is fighting corruption but all of us on this side of that equation know exactly what this means.

Trump has used our court system for DECADES to bully people with pockets not as deep as his and now that same justice system is catching up with all his dirt, he has started this new campaign to invoke more anger and hatred and play the victim (isn't that what they say about black and brown people that speak out about systemic racism?) in his flock and just like they believe that MILLIONS of people stole ballots from mailboxes and rosters of people long dead tipped the vote in Biden's direction, he is grooming them RIGHT NOW to be prepared to make the Capitol riot look like a picnic in the park.

This isn't a suggestion or request. This is another battle cry.


How many more police officers have to walk into the line of fire while he stands back to admire his handiwork - that he is calling to order to repeat everywhere in this country?

 

Quickie: Why didn't he do anything about it in the highest position in the world? Oh, wait...he did.

 

Yes, LINK: Globalism Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster is "fringe right anti-capitalist propaganda". And LINK: Joseph Nye - Wikipedia, Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs and Chair of the National Intelligence Council under Bill Clinton is a "fringe right anti-capitalist propaganda". LINK: Globalism - Wikipedia

Seriously, do some learning before dismissing things as "far right". Perhaps, since @MJ Davies /liked your post he should also.

 

Guess you missed the part where I mentioned (on this thread) that BEFORE TRUMP, most anti-globalism was from the left. Remember that? Did you skip post #45 entirely? I spelled it out for you then. Before Trump, you'd mostly find these diatribes on the far left and among the tiny minority of Buchananites on the right. After Trump, the "right" has re-branded itself as anti-capitalist protectionists.

 

And again, globalism is about more than just the economy (IE: capitalism). Which is what I said from the very start. In post 46. Did you not read that? And subsequent posts have shown that "anti-globalism" was not "from the left" before Trump.

 

They're not organized, angry, determined or, perhaps most importantly, desperate enough to fight a civil war on their angry cult leader's behalf. Like his January 6 crowd, they're nothing without their glorious leader to organize and lead them.

 

I've been around for a bit. I only heard anti-globalism from the left and from Buchanan types until Trump. Then Trumpists co-opted the movement. I'm hardly the first person to notice this.

 

I've been around for a bit also. And I've given evidence to the contrary.

 

No, you really haven't. You showed a pre-Trump Clinton appointee criticizing globalism. And anecdotes aren't actually evidence.

 

By that time, they could emerge a formidable opponents especially if someone with a brain is doing the planning (clearly not Orange Jesus). Several hundred people worked up over his Big Lie that would have had all this time to study what went wrong on 1/6/2021 and do that in several areas across the country simultaneously...I hope I'm wrong. I really do. That is not the America I want my children to know.

 

I have found some very simple and obvious evidence. Down the ballot voting results. Republicans gained 13 house seats from those same ballots. If there was cheating by the democrats it would have effected all those other races.

then we have republicans winning big in a state Trump lost by 10 points. Trump just has major political weaknesses that have not been helped by Jan 6th.

 

Unless fraudulent ballots only voted for the president that would indicate fraud. Why people vote for Biden but only on down ballot vote Republican.

That isn't strong enough to be called evidence much less a mountain of it

The election occurred before January 6th. That didn't come into it. What's his weakness?

 

You said that before Trump liberals we're the ones that were anti-globalism. I not only gave examples, both past, and present, of people and a liberal group showing them promoting globalism I also gave a dictionary definition and a wiki link explaining the basics of it. (Showing that it's not just about capitalism)

If you want to dismiss all of that and not even bother to educate yourself more on the subject then that is your problem. Not mine. I'm not going to continue discussing this since it's not even about the thread topic. I just thought you'd like to know that globalism isn't just about capitalism and that liberals most certainly do have some globalist views. I've proven that much. Whether you agree or not isn't my problem.

 

Not going to get into the whole debate of fraud or not. But just wanted to let you know of a hole in your reasoning having to do with the bolded.

A lot of people actually do only vote for the President and ignore the rest. Its not uncommon. So to assume that seeing such would be automatic indication of fraud is actually both right and wrong. For the sake of argument though they are generally not considered such as checking it out for each and every single ballot that comes up like that would be a MASSIVE undertaking. That is why its not generally automatically considered as fraud unless some reason is given for a specific ballot.

Look at it this way. There are roughly 10-12 million illegal immigrants in the US. One of the reasons given for just giving them amnesty is because of the massive undertaking it would take to round up that many people is considered prohibitive. The same would apply with ballots that come in with only the President voted on.

But due to that very aspect it can be taken advantage of and fraudulent votes can be cast by simply mass producing a ton of fake ballots that have just the President voted for. No one bats an eye at a ballot that just has the POTUS selected. So why wouldn't that be taken advantage of if one thought that they could get away with it?

This (among other reasons) is why I think we need to tie in our election system to the IRS database and put peoples full SSN's and names on ballots. Remember, the IRS has a complete database of every single citizen in the US. Including their birthdates. It would stop any reason to think that fraudulent ballots were cast as it would guarantee that no ballot stuffing could occur. It would also prevent non-citizens from voting. It would also do away with many laws like ID requirements. You know, the laws that Republicans favor. Simply because they would no longer be needed. It could even be considered "automatic registration" of everyone because anyone that's in the IRS database as a citizen and above a certain age could vote. All of which can be checked, with the right coding. It could all even be done automatically simply by scanning the ballot. It would be a win win for everyone really.

 

I wouldn't consider that necessarily an indication of fraud it's just not evidence against fraud. And that was the point I was making

I wouldn't even go that far just make it illegal to mail balance out to people unless they request them and require people to show ID when they go to vote.

 

Why would fraudulent votes only be for president? That makes no sense. Please do not tell me you are saying that. The democrats are so moral they only steal presidential elections? If they look at ballots and see a vote for Biden and over count those or see a vote for Trump and do not count those that would have hurt republicans across the board.

The point about Jan 6th is that Trump would be even politically weaker now.

What is weak? Stop it. The election results! He did worse than republicans down the ballot. He did horrible with independents and moderates and Asians. He motivates the left like no republican candidate ever.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020

 

Sorry but 159 million plus people voted in this last election. Trump motivated his base but he motivated democrats just as much.

Another thing. This is the United states of America not Kazakhstan. Stop talking as if tend of millions of votes are floating around not properly accounted for. Nobody has proven fraud with actual numbers. Certainly not numbers that would prove Trump won even one of those contentious states.

On Nov 19th there was a hand recount in Georgie and the results were the same. There was a hand recount and audit in Arizona and Biden gained 99 votes. There was a recount in Wisconsin and again no change. Time to move on. It is unpatriotic to be talking as if elections do not count in our country.

 

Doesn't the Virginia vote tell you people something? Trump lost that state by 10 points but republican candidates won several state wide elections. That is hardly a ringing endorsement for Trump for 2024. Too many people do not like him!

Then you have the hugely unpopular occurrences on Jan 6th which Trump will always be associated with. Also the fact he is old. He will be pushing 78 in 2024. Time to move on. From Trump not from Maga.

 

I think the Democrats are too fixated on Trump and not what most Americans think is the most important problem facing this nation today. The democrat’s fixation with Trump is likely to cost them control of congress come November. Now that’s the democratic party’s problem and one they need to solve if they are to retain congress in November.


By ignoring this problem, concentrating on Trump Biden’s approval rating has fallen from 53% in July down to 41% today.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html


Democrats in the generic congressional ballot which asks the question If an election for U.S. Congress were being held today, who would you vote for in the district where you live? The Democrats have seen a lead in July of 48-41 over Republican congressional candidates turn around to where today, Republican congressional candidates lead Democratic congressional candidates 47-43. A swing of 11 points from a plus 7 to a minus 4.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html


Most Americans don’t want to hear about Democrats ranting and raving about Trump. That didn’t work in Virginia’s governors race last November. I don’t think it will work this November either. Not if the above numbers are correct. I think most folks who aren’t Democrats are sick and tired of hearing about Trump. Am I right? We’ll find out in November. One thing I think is certain, if the Democrats continue to ignore the most important problem facing this nation today in favor of Trump, Trump, Trump, they’ll lose control of the congress in November.

 

Another thing about the election is that Biden won by a similar margin to what the polls had been saying for months. Biden was ahead in the real clear composite polls by around 5 points for the longest time and won by about that many. The final composite polls had Biden up 7.2 points points 51.2-44 and the only polls that had Trump ahead were the Trafalgar polls.

https://livenews.realclearpolitics..../us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

 

The worst they might accomplish is more domestic terrorism. The ones most concerning to me are those trying to get into positions of managing elections, as in those who could mess us up legally rather than plotting something that will have law enforcement all over them.

 

I think there are groups who are very organized and have spent their adult lives training for another civil war. The Oath Keepers, for example, were led by a man who anxiously awaited the opportunity to fight.

 

Yeah, I know we have some wackos like those around, but they're not about to manage a civil war. A civil war would take the involvement of thousands of people at least. These clowns would be lucky to get their entire organization to fight.