Russia launches attacks on Ukraine

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Prioritizing our own border does not mean isolationism.
     
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    It's a first step. But I already adressed the solution in another thread. Invest in minerals and other ressources extraction in central and south america. This will create well paying jobs there and illiminate the needs to deal with Russia and China for Bauxite and other needed ressources. Investors will make money, south american will earn money at home and the only ones who'll want to cross your borders will be to visit Disneyworld.
     
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    Good lord there are a lot of IDIOTS!
     
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    I dont know what they are handing out to the civilians. Maybe old, maybe new, but I'm sure its better than nothing.
     
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    I was responding to your post that had the UK. Please be consistent.
     
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    Your support for Putin is noted.
     
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    Hmm.. I think you're woefully naive.
     
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    Compared to the previous seditious traitor, it is a vast improvement.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    It didn't for 4 years did it?
     
  10. Vote4Future

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    Now you're a comedian. The entire world knows Biden is an empty suit. Why is it so difficult for Americans who voted for him to accept that? Maybe a therapist can help you get through it. Just a friendly suggestion.
     
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    The one about the child in the Oval Office who wouldn't take Boris Johnson's calls for a day and a half while his bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan blew up in everybody's faces?

    That post?
     
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    Your post is both wrong, in its specifics, as well as completely off, in its perspective. I will explain:

    As for a "defanged" Europe-- which, of course, includes a lot of both currently-stationed, as well as potentially reinforcing, American forces, in NATO-- Vladimir Putin, himself, in a press conference in Russia (along with President Macron, of France), plainly admitted that Russian (conventional) forces, were no match for NATO's. I watched this in a different thread, but it would, undoubtedly, be easy to find online, if you would like me to produce that, for you.

    But, as has been repeatedly stressed, by Pres. Biden, & is obvious, of our European allies, there is no intention, by NATO, of getting involved, here, MILITARILY. Putin, by the way, in that press conference, immediately after saying that, of course, Russia did not have the military forces to stand up to anything the size of NATO's forces, started talking about his own country's nuclear arsenal: the implication was about as subtle as that of a board, being cracked over one's skull: NATO troops in Ukraine, puts nukes on the table, in Putin's mind (and I believe he just repeated that threat, today).

    So, it is your single-minded focus on this as a problem with strictly, a military solution, where your perspective slices off, into the rough. There are significant pressures that can be applied, outside of direct, military confrontation, that could conceivably achieve an, even better, result because, should they succeed in forcing Russia out of Ukraine, all would understand that any future aggression by Russia, could be handled in the same manner, and so would be pointless for Putin to even begin.

    How effective these measures, ultimately, will be, is dependent upon::
    1) how far Biden takes them, and
    2) how closely all of our partners-- which goes beyond NATO, & includes, according to Biden's remarks, today, "half of the world's" trade (or GDP, perhaps)-- stay in line,with us.

    While I know that many will automatically assume that sanctions are like a paper tiger, that can do no real harm, that is far from the case. As I said, it depends of the willingness of the countries involved to take the necessary steps, and their resolve, to stay the course. Obviously, this will require us to use a lot of persuasion on our allies; and will require a willingness of Americans-- including those who now advocate for military conflict-- to tighten their belts, a notch or two, without protesting too plaintively. I will not predict, the way that this unknowable denouement will unfold; but I will conclude by saying that you will be making another, gross mis- assumption, if you believe that President Biden, is just like Obama.
     
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  13. AmericanNationalist

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    The geopolitical collapse of the situation is simply amazing. We had the intel of this invasion TWO MONTHS in advance, more than enough time to summon up a military resistance and instead, Biden opted for a public pressure campaign that didn't work, and now a sanctions package that doesn't mean ****.
     
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    As is your support for the Ukro-Nazis.
     
  15. AmericanNationalist

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    Are Russian forces in Ukraine or not? We know that they are. The whole damn point is to keep them out of Ukraine. North Korea's isolated, how's that faring for North Korea? Ah wait, it's still belligerent towards the US! Since Putin used hard power, we have to match hard power with hard power. Putin of course doesn't want a hard power for hard power match, that's why we should give it to him. If he threatens his nukes, we threaten ours. Every time he ups the ante, we up the ante right back(this is what Reagan did to defeat the Soviets.)
     
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    There isn't any defense treaty with Ukraine, so unless you want WW3 a military deplyment in Ukraine was out of the question.
     
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    I'm sure Putin is deeply concerned over what the puppet has to say.
     
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    I checked various news outlets coverage of the Ukrainian war, and while most were reporting the actual events, and some had boots on the ground, the FOX coverage was "Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden.......".

    Well, maybe he should be when the Russian stock market is down 45% and that is only the beginning, and citizens are protesting on Russian streets. These are not just US sanctions, but the whole Western world + Japan
     
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    Fine, feel free to dwell on it.
     
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    And now because of Biden's incompetence, the subversive Kiev Pride Parade (funded by Western powers) is now at risk. Wouldn't it be horrible if they missed out on a gay pride parade this year?

    I know that Putin booted out the NGOs from Russia. I wonder if he is worried about the NGOs in Ukraine. We all more or less know the progressive script by now. Use NGOs to create victim groups and restrict speech. Move on to mass immigration to remove the extant culture and create division.... er.... diversity. Voila.... dysfunctional society ready for looting.


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    https://kyivpride.org/en/
     
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    Amazing how personal hate and total physical and moral blindness go together.

    Putin fears Biden like you fear a jelly donut. It has no balls. No matter what you do, it won't do shat.
    IF Trump were in office- Putin would be out skiing somewhere instead of waging war.
     
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    At least somebody in the world has the balls to take action. Puppets don't have balls. The seem to speak, but they don't think- and they don't have balls.
    IF any serious USA sanctions are put in place, the puppet will apologize for his master doing it. Putin knows this, and knows what he is doing. The puppet, not having a working brain, does not.
     
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    Ukrainians have taken back the airport, while Russian troops camp out at radio-active soils of Chernobyl.
     
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    Grow up!
     
  25. AmericanNationalist

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    First of all, Russia isn't London. Russia's participation in stocks and other global market is trife compared to the European powers. It's an oil and production nation. You really wanna do this sanction stuff the right way? Kick Russia out of OPEC. That will do more than "restricting their ability to trade in dollars, pounds, yen, etc." So he can't even do his own strategy right.

    If you restrict Russia's ability to trade and produce oil, now that will get the Kremlin back to the table. But general global commerce? Nah, doesn't do a thing to them.
     

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