Ruble down 30% -- Trump calls Putin very smart and savvy

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  1. Quantum Nerd

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    Let's look at some of the economic havoc that Vlad is wreaking on his own population:

    -Ruble down 30%
    -Stock market down 40%
    -Interest rates jumped to 20%
    -Long lines at ATM machines because people worry about collapse of banks

    Yet, Trump calls Putin very smart and savvy.

    Now, if this is smart and savvy, I don't know what really dumb must be in Trump world.

    Looks like the economic sanctions are working. I feel bad for the Russian people, but, we have to wait this out and hope that Putin will swallow his pride and see the light. There will already be talks between Russia and Ukraine today. Maybe, the invasion wasn't as easy as Putin thought it would be. Actually, invasions never are easy. Somehow, I don't know why invaders never learn from history.

    Now, for the American right wing, they have to make a choice if they want to be with the "smart, savvy" invaders, or do they want to be on the side of a fledgling democracy with a popular elected president, who seems to be brave to defend his country? Or, put in another way: Do you want to be on the side of Trump and Tucker, or do you want to be on the side of reasonable people?
     
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    I mean he is the self proclaimed king of debt (and bankruptcy)

    It is strange to see the party of “fiscal responsibility” blindly support him
     
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    Any one who worships at the feet of a traitor is a traitor.
     
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    Why is it an "or". I fully support the Urkrainian people and hope they kick the Russians ass.

    As for the rest, I don't have to be for or against them.
     
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    As Sun Tsu said, no battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

    Ukraine is badly outnumbered and outgunned, but they know what they're fighting for. Zelensky and his people are proving to be pretty bad-ass, IMO. I love the Ukrainian soldiers who were on that little island in the Black Sea when a Rusdian warship arrived and told them to surrender and lay down their weapons. Their response: "Russian ship: go f..k yourselves."
     
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    This is the former Heavyweight Champion of the World Vitali Klitschko, from Ukraine. He is worth millions, with capabilities of being anywhere in the world.
    He is currently armed and ready to defend his country at all costs.
     
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    Nah that was yesterday. Today NATO is the best Alliance in the world it's full of very smart people that agree with him because he saved it, and made it stronger by saying we might want to pull out of it.

    They tried, but the writing is on the wall. It's rhetorical gymnastics time for the former president.
     
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    Includes those who worship him as a devil.
     
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    Unfortunately Russia stocks are starting to recover rapidly like when covid was announced and stocks dropped and then recovered in a few days.

    https://markets.ft.com/data/world/countries/russia

    At least it's good for Russian citizens but it would be nice to have more leverage to boot out Putin.
     
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    The Russian stock exchange is closed today and will be closed tomorrow, wonder why (that's sarcasm):

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/business/russia-ruble-banks-sanctions/index.html

    "The European subsidiary of Russia's biggest bank was on the brink of collapse as savers rushed to withdraw their deposits. Economists warned that the Russian economy could shrink by 5%.
    The ruble lost about 25% of its value to trade at 104 to the dollar at 12:15 p.m. ET after earlier plummeting as much as 40%. The start of trading on the Russian stock market was delayed, and then canceled entirely, according to a statement from the country's central bank.
    "

    And the SWIFT block hasn't even kicked in yet.

    Now, doesn't look like Putin is looking very smart currently. It rather looks like he has bitten off more than he can chew. Let's hope that the sanctions continue to have their effect.
     
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    Ruble is worth less than 1 cent in US currency and international oil companies like Shell and BP are pulling out of Russia, and Exxon and TotalEnergies (France) are likely to do the same.
     
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    I have talked to people (not on this forum) who think the deep state is involved in crooked dealings in Ukraine. One example they gave is them helping Hillary in 2016, and another is hunter Biden.

    I think Hunter has done crooked crap and I don’t like the guy just as a side note anyway lol.

    anyhow, they believe that Russia is going in there to fight against this deep state they believe is imbedded into that country that is tied to our own country. It’s absolutely amazing to me. It’s insulting in a way too. So absurd!

    Anyway I let that person know how dumb I thought anyone was who supported a guy who locks up, kills, and poisons people who are against him. If you support him and think his actions are some sort of saving Grace you’re a flipping idiot.
     
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    Those evil oil companies right… they have more nads than the Germans who refuse to cut off Nord Stream 1
     
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    The 'deep state' conspiracy theories are just that: absurd.
     
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    I pity that poor russian soldier who tries to take him out in hand to hand combat in a dark street in Kiiv...
     
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    You don’t know the half of it. I told this person he needs to get off YouTube and start reading real books (politely of corse) even gave him some suggestions like McMaster’s new book (Real good by the way). He got offended and asked me why I assume all he does is watch YouTube? I told him because that’s all he ever sends me so I know he watches it as source of info. Then he wanted to lecture me on how he does his research.

    It’s amazing, and hard to have these conversations. I mean I love this guy but dang bud put down the crack.
     
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    The question for the left wing is this, are you going to virtue signal on anonymous bulletin boards or are you and your family going over to Ukraine to fight for the cause which holds so much significance for you?

    Ukraine has waived all visa requirements for freedom fighters such as yourself and your family. If you are looking for finances to pay for the plane ticket, I am sure conservatives would rally around paying for the plane tickets of as many progressive as want to go. Here is a chance for the left to finally show their patriotism in a meaningful way, I hope they act upon this golden opportunity.

    I suspect the limit of their patriotism will be free Ukraine stickers and TikTok videos. That really doesn't help the Ukrainians much does it?

    Hilariously Coach Red Pill, (a white nationalist who moved to the Ukraine years ago to get away from the diversity of America) is doing coverage from Kiev. He is in a luxury resort in Kiev which appears to be deserted. I don't think the dude has a sense of self-preservation at all. You should check some of his videos out to see what it is like in Kiev right now.

     
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    Drinking is allowed on planes. You could fly over yourself...
     
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    ??? When did I ever say I was going to Ukraine to fight? I am against war, so, obviously I am going to criticize the aggressor. That doesn't mean I personally have skin in the game.

    BTW, since we are now arguing along those silly lines: When are you going to the southern border to prevent those Mexican invaders from coming in? Don't you have enough interest in the cause to do this? Or are you rather a couch potato, who wants others to do the dirty work for you?
     
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    It's actually worse than what you are describing, Trump didn't just say Putin is smart and savvy, but more specifically he said that Putin's Ukraine strategy is smart and savvy. In fact, he described it as "genius"
     
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    Most people would have to be suicidal to try to take that guy on.
     
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