$6 or $7 per gallon is a small price to pay to defend democracy....

How good a job did he do to prevent it from hitting an all time record in the first place?

I'll take that as a failure on his part.

 

Is that your simplistic view of it? Please explain what he has done to accomplish this especially since the left and he have both claimed he has not control over the price.

 

We can. But we don't! And that has not changed. The only way in which we could use all the oil we produce for internal consumption would be if the government owned it. Which I am not advocating. Simply pointing out the fact. Oil companies would not do that because it's more profitable for them to make us buy it in the international market.

 

We did and we should do it again.

 

The cause of this is the politicians. Politicians ruin everything they touch. It just baffles the F**K outa me why the taxpayers of this country haven’t figured this out yet.

 

How are liars and scammers at fault for what we choose to accept (and some demand)?

 

Yep! In the 1940s. I agree we should do it again. That's what the Green New Deal is for.

 

I'll take that as a failure on his part.[/QUOTE]
Of course you do. Ridiculous though it is.

 

The reason people haven't "figured this out" is that it's an unwarranted generalization. Yes! Many politicians only ruin things. Specifically politicians who are not in power to govern, but to get themselves re-elected. They primarily obstruct, but never promote any real change that is of benefit to the country.

But when you make the generalization and just say "politicians"... that's a bumper-sticker to which everybody will nod and say "Oh! Yeah!". But they SEE that it is not true for all politicians.

A more useful approach would be to point out politicians who refuse to negotiate, who abuse procedural loopholes like the filibuster rule, who are generally more concerned with being re-elected than with doing the right thing.

This is, of course, more difficult than just blurting out something like "politicians are the problem". But such blank generalizations have never and will never get us anywhere.

 

We did it in 2017 to 2020 too. We have the current ability to be 100% engery independent for the next 100 to 200 years. The agree New Deal is intended to be used for social engineering.

 

No we didn't!!!! What the hell are you talking about? URGENT: Read my sig! Stop making up nonsense!

 

Your sig is nothing. It's gibberish.

We were completely energy independent from 2017 until Biden took office.

 

You're not defending democracy. You're advancing the monied interests in the quest for the control of resources.

Suppose Russia illegally overthrew the Mexican government just like Bush illegally overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2004.

Suppose Russia illegally overthrew the Mexican government for the purpose of putting airbases in Mexico, just like the US intends to put airbases in Ukraine.

Suppose Russia started pumping money into "pro-Whatever" groups in the western US, just like the US will be pumping money into "pro-Democracy" groups in eastern Russia, just like Bush and Obama pumped money into "pro-Democracy" groups to foment Arab Spring.

Then suppose Russia started smuggling weapons, ammunition, equipment and supplies into the western US to foment rebellion, just like the US will be doing the same to foment rebellion in eastern Russia, just like Clinton took tax-payer money and gave it to Pakistan to buy weapons from Iran and ship them to Albania where Osama bin Laden's #2 lieutenant al-Zawahiri (whom Obama later killed in a drone strike in Pakistan along with innocent civilians) smuggled the weapons into Bosnia and Kosovo under the watchful eye of the CIA and Iranian VEVAK.

Naturally, the US would move to suppress the insurrection in the western US at which time Russia will insist on a No-Fly Zone and use its airbases in Mexico to enforce the No-Fly Zone so it can carve up the western US, just like the US and NATO will use airbases in Ukraine to enforce the No-Fly Zone over western Russia while the US and Britain carve up eastern Russia.

Of course, the US could preemptively invade Mexico to prevent that from happening, just like Russia preemptively invaded Ukraine.

Unless you're a hypocrite, you wouldn't have any objections to the US preemptively invading Mexico, right?

Oh, wait....I get it....God said you're entitled by right to be Livin' Large and consume 34% of the world's non-oil resources even though you're a mere 5% of the world's population because you're "special" and anyone who stands in the way of your conquest of the world's resources so's you can continue to be Livin' Large is obviously an evil nasty dictator.

 

Curious. I'm seeing FAR more 'quelle horreur!' from those most dependent upon Govt support (and to a man, they're Progressive Lefties). Most express it as desperate denial, others are openly terrified.

 

I’ll bet as an Aussie you know who said this:

Spoiler

Bill Mollison

 

really? semi-quote: $6 or $7 dollars per gallon, is a small price to pay for democracy? you must be filty rich to say that!!! there are people making $15.00 per hour, and gas prices are killing their budgets!!! have you ever considered drilling for more natural gas, and oil in the u.s.? making the u.s. "imdependent" on energy from foreign problems. and or pipelines from canada, like the keystone and others. again protecting us from high gasoline & diesel again protecting the us energy system? biden imo started the rise in energy costs the day he entered office, with restrictive rules on drilling, exploring, and pipelines. biden started this -- and it has only gotten worse since the ukraine invasion.

biden already saying about food there will be a problem in the coming months. all because he is soooo senile!!! he is doing nothing to head that off, is he? but many voted for this. we told you this would happen. and we are ---right!!!

 

A quest to control resources is what dictators have ALWAYS done. Defend Democracy, and you defend against that.

The rest of your post is nonsense... Just one example...

First of all, how idiotic is it to believe that Mexico were willing to put Russian airbases in their territory. Second, I'm an American, and I live in Florida. No idea where you live or what your nationality is, but Russian airbases close to me would be faaaar more threatening to an American in Florida, than American airbases in Ukraine.

So you might understand how your lame attempt at supporting Putin is absolutely nonsensical to me.

Which should be obvious. Thinking before making absurd comparisons is always suggested.

 

I didn't actually know, but assumed it was Bill. And he was dead right that it's subversive. Though ironically, the more it makes sense to grow your own, the more those who're freaked out by subversion are freaking out.

Taking the strictly observational perspective, I think we're seeing a response to the collapse of lifelong assumptions about safety and rescue. Even those who accept that bad things can and do happen, have somehow managed to spend their lives assuming nothing bad would ever happen to THEM. It's like the oblivion of the spoiled child .. a belief that someone or something would always stand between them and trouble.

When the people around them start acting on the indicators of danger, it completely undermines their constructed world of perfect safety. And of course when you're motivated to construct such a fantasy world, it's almost always driven by self-entitlement, laziness, apathy or some other signficant flaw - that means a double threat. Not only is the fantasy collapsing, but salvation means doing all the things they've spent their lives trying to avoid.

They now know that no one is going to save them .. they're on their own. Hence the freak outs.

 

He was quite a guy. I never really thought about self sufficiency as subversion until I read that. It was always just what made me happy. But when you consider the subversion angle it explains why there is so much derision of self sufficiency and personal responsibility. It’s very threatening to those who crave power.

Good point. I think when people realize there isn’t someone to protect them they attempt to grab you and hide behind you or force you to protect them in some way. It’s amazing how in less than 100 years since the Great Depression and just over 100 years since the Spanish Flu pandemic everyone has forgotten the bad things that have always happened to individuals and societies.

Yep. And it seems the coping mechanisms are mainly anger and denial—both of which exacerbate the problem.

I imagine it’s pretty disturbing when something like Covid or high inflation happens and the people you thought could save you can’t or don’t want to.

I hoped people would awaken to the reality politics is all fear based now and the best way to be safe and happy is to disentangle from dependence on those who are manipulating them through a state of constant fear. But again, denial and anger are easier I guess than taking responsibility. It’s sad to watch—especially the fear.

 

The title of this thread just still shocks me at the sheer disconnect from reality of the mentality of someone who just assumes that everyone in this world can just pay that sort of money for gasoline and it's just supposed to have no real effect on them.

Spoken like someone who actually feels no pain from it. Meanwhile a large percentage of Americans have zero savings and live paycheck to paycheck.

But let's pretend that's not a reality.

Let's pretend this sort of pinch on an already tight budget doesn't force you to choose between food lights or gasoline or rent.. .

But you know hooray for "democracy" and my feelings and whatnot....

 

1) It's subversive because those invested in being helpless don't want ANYONE giving the Govt ideas (about taking a more hands off approach). To such people, it probably feels like an indirect attack on their very lives. Or at least their comfort! As you say, independence is threatening and frightening.

2) We're talking about people who've never grown up. People whose best attempt at adulthood was a job and a mortgage (at best), whereas everything else has remained in a state of arrested development. The living from moment to moment, the refusal to tolerate delayed gratificiation, etc etc.

And it's funny you should mention the Depression, as it's been making the news here. Even Left wing MSM is talking about how people coped then. Most people had the sense to move in with family and share costs, plus grow vegetables and keep chickens. Those without that option built shanties for themselves and kept small gardens. There wasn't really any 'homeless' in the sense we know today. This highlights just how entitled and lazy people are today. They'll sleep on the streets tomorrow, if it means they can avoid fun killers like sharing with family or digging potatoes. Though of course these folk think it won't ever come to that, because Govt will save them. Govt will pay them enough to cover a private residence in the location of their choice, and plenty of grub. And somehow, magically, Govt will do that for every one of the 90% who are going to be in trouble.

3) That's the weird thing .. even having seen Govt's failure to keep paying COVID support for more than a few months, and not even to all citizens .. they STILL think they're going to be saved in a way that doesn't disrupt their lifestyle. If Govt actually offered to save them with rations and a bed in a dorm (the only way ANY Govt could possibly keep all its citizens fed and housed), guaranteed they'd be horrified. Unbelievably spoiled, we are.

4) Yes, the fear driven denial is upsetting. You just know that folk you care about are going to be in serious trouble, and you can't do anything to stop it.

 

what did biden do? simple, 1st day in office, cut oil production by stopping drilling on federal land., stalled new drilling permits, put tons of new restrictions on any drilling, stopped pipelines from canada bringing oil to the u.s.. all of these cut the amount of oil we had in the u.s. to make fuel. so then biden runs to our biggest enamines like iran, & venezuela begging them to produce oil for the u.s. all this driving up the price at the pump. because the refineries now have to pay a higher price per barrel . then they pass that on to the consumer.

trump said "drill baby drill" cut restrictions on drilling, brought in pipelines, cut our dependence on foreign oil. driving the price per barrel down, and the price at the pump. but libs in government aren't educated enough to see that. inv. get it?

 

I suppose some of them do and others do not.

 

those americans should have saved more.

thousands of drilling permits have been issued since biden took office. the oil companies are more profitable because they sell oil at higher prices. the companies pump foreign oil because it is cheaper than fracking. .

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