Ukraine. One of the biggest coverups...ever

Well, to decontaminate takes pouring bleach over everything. 17 years on and they haven't made any progress in shutting these things down? Sounds like this "oh we are just trying to shut these things down" is yet another steaming pile of horse ****, on in this case, much more dangerous.

 

my guess is most of the posters on this thread never gave Ukraine much thought or interest until a few months ago

I certainly did not

with that said,

it was common knowledge that Ukraine was a former state of the USSR

and Ukraine was infamous for being corrupt ..but all democracies must go through the growing pains

efforts were being made to stop the corruption and Zelensky was elected and NOT installed by a foreign power

if the people of Ukraine wanted to become a state of Russia, then they only need to lay down their arms and surrender

but it appears the people of Ukraine want to be independent of Russia and are willing to die for independence

conspiracy theories dont matter...

Ukraine wants independence from Russia..Case closed

 

Don't know... just presenting the facts that are still available before they are completely gone.

 

Most people think all this started within the last couple of months. Wrong. This fiasco started over 8 years ago. The US backed, funded and orchestrated violent Coup in 2014 which removed the last democratically elected President of Ukraine.... set all this in motion. Our fake news didn't shed a tear for the some 14,000 that have been killed in the last 8 years.....because they were told by our government to not give a ****. For the last 8 years, our government has been funding and training real ****ing nazis to fight Ukrainians of ethnic Russian descent. Nazis. And our government...Biden and Co...has been funding bioweapons labs...to try to come up with some kind of disease to unleash on ethnic Russians through the use of migratory birds or other "wasn't us" delivery systems. And just so happens the bioweapons labs in Ukraine are linked to the bioweapons labs in China and we all know how that turned out.

This whole ****ing mess is the US government's fault. This is just one more time when our foreign policy has lost its mind. Remember when our government funded and armed terrorists in Syria to attempt to topple Assad? Yeah, we weren't on the right side of that either.

In WW2, we allied with the Russians to fight the Nazis. Now we fund, train and ally with Nazis to fight the Russians. WTF is wrong with people?

 

I hear you man. But Putin is invading areas with little or no ethnic Russians to protect. This clearly isn't only a 'protect Russians from neo-nazis' operation, but also a power grab. If Russia truly only wanted to protect Russians from neonazis, they should've done what I've been advocating we do for Ukraine- send them shittons of small arms so the people can defend themselves. Not launch the largest armored assault since WW2.

 

Have you ever been there? Let me be of service. If you took the country of 'Ukraine' and drew a line from Sumy, Ukraine straight towards Chisinau, Moldova, everything to the South and East is majority Russian (not a small portion). People don't seem to understand that the Western part of 'Ukraine' was added to 'Ukraine' at the end of WW2. It's Polish land. Those are the modern day 'Ukrainians'. Almost everything else was Russia, i.e. the Russian Empire from the Middle Ages to the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.

Those people in the Donbass region of Ukraine have been getting bombed for 8 friggin years straight. Civilians targeted for 8 years straight. Just how many years would you like this to continue until you'd consider enough is enough?

Ukraine signed the Minsk Peace Agreements in 2015 to end all fighting in the Donbass. And since 2015, they've lied, cheated, and haven't abided by the agreements....because our dumbass government sent arms, troops, money and everything else there to train nazis...that have targeted those people in the Donbass since 2015.

You know good and damn well our government wouldn't let Americans be terrorized for 8 years straight, especially if another country was arming and training *******n nazis to kill them. No sir.

 

Sure it is.

Bless your heart....

 

Another list of complete bullshit from you, that even if every single word were true, still does not justify an unprovoked military attack by a force that, on paper anyway, should have taken control of Ukraine within 24-48 hours. Seems Putin's military is not all that, after all. The idiots didn't even keep their truck tires maintained adequately.

By the way, this isn't WWII anymore, we don't need Ukrainian land to point (or fire) missiles at Russia. We could have literally done that decades ago if we felt the need. That it never happened only further serves to point out the complete irrelevance of your crap. I do hope Vlad is paying you well, you are one busy monkey. Probably with about the same IQ, too.

 

Is it?

 

Yes, it's remarkably clever isn't it. Every time you encounter unwashed news which doesn't jibe with the carefully stage-managed version you prefer, you can simply call it a conspiracy theory and sleep soundly!

You mean the peasants who were tired of being ridden roughshod by the bourgeoisie?

 

And if $5 gas was all that was involved you might be right (assuming you can afford that price of course .. tough luck those who can't). But if you actually believe that's where it stops, I'm genuinely afraid for you and your family.

 

Yes, I believe so. When you compare it to the Russian model.

You could also look at Souths v North Korea and West Germany versus what was East Germany to get a sense of comparison.

 

Okay, let's have a look shall we:





or:

 

Politics aside, there are plenty of places in the East which are vastly better than the urban West.

 

I guess it depends how you define better. I lived in East Germany when it was East Germany. Where do you think the people there all wanted to live?

 

Basically a content free post.

 

A biolab is not the same thing as a bio-weapons lab. Stop acting as if those words mean the same thing, they don't.

 

Why? What else do you think is involved?

 

Unfortunately Ukraine has the entire underbelly of Russia and is within easy striking distance of Moscow. If Ukraine joined NATO and was completely armed just as Poland is it would be used as a weapon against the Russians. It could just as easily be used as a staging point for an invasion once a coup occurs in Russia and NATO forces are there to bring order with the new government. NATO has a trend of overthrowing elected and unelected governments for the past century.

 

It appears, in Ukraine's case, the US wants to start a war with Russia...So says the dope Biden, for example.

 

Like I posted (to someone else?), there's so much censorship and misinformation in the US, for example, about the Russian invasion that one has to critically think things through to come up with valid conclusions. Ask some valid questions. Does a nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine make sense? Why does it seem our president is willing to risk nuclear war over Ukraine of all places???Especially after the haphazard way in which the Biden Administration left Afghanistan? Why weren't US biolabs in Ukraine moved before the invasion???I mean, Russia had troops on the border with Ukraine for approx. 3 weeks before the invasion. Why hasn't there been any good faith (side note: the only good thing to come out of the Carter Administration is the phrase in good faith) negotiations between Ukraine and Russia either before or after the invasion? And on and on and on.

BTW, a democracy can't survive with massive amounts of censorship and misinformation coming from the presidency, congress, the American MSM and American social platforms, for examples...That's what Americans are receiving, right now, from the presidency, congress, the American MSM and American social platforms, for examples...Censorship and misinformation.

I realize the preceding paragraph is lost on authoritarians and that's another reason why there's so much censorship and misinformation about the Russian invasion...It's because of a prevalence of authoritarianism in America, for example.

 

Liberal Democracy = Oligarchy with Pride flags

 

I guess, the US was wrong in invading sovereign countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, for examples. I guess, the Allies were wrong in invading a sovereign country like Nazi Germany.

 

1) Who cares?
2) Who cares?
3) Who cares?
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5) Which NATO nations have offensive missiles pointed at Russia now? Virtually none.
6) Who cares?