Biden received a mandate that he must follow

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  1. Dayton3

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    Every president promises to "unite the country". Don't know why. Not even Jesus promises that.
     
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    You can add to your criticism of Biden that he has shown no (NO) indication that neither he nor any of the 'woke' stooges in his regime plan to do anything of PARAMOUNT importance, like totally rewriting the U. S. Tax Code so that the wealthy really do actually pay (PAY) in line with what their fairly-taxed amount SHOULD be according to the tax-bracket their income indicates -- without shelters, loopholes, and a dozen ways to get out of actually having to pay much of anything.

    Trump 'took a stab' at 'tax reform' that didn't really do much of anything for the taxpaying American Middle Class, but Biden hasn't even done that much! The further 'Left' a person is, the less he cares about such things, since a lot of the liberal-Left's income is provided by the 'socialism-lite' government, and, like the really rich, not many of them pay taxes, either....

    But, to your point :above: above, when you say "I don't care about the southern border", you speak VOLUMES about what you really do think is important by contrast -- things like 'social-justice-warrior' forays into windmill-tilting assaults on imaginary bugaboos like 'systemic racism' while promoting reparations-mining schemes!

    Suggestion: do the smart thing and focus all your 'righteous wrath' on the current Roe v Wade cause célèbre... you'll get better traction with more than just the 14% of Americans who are Black if you stick to something REAL, like 'Roe'.... :nod:
     
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    You're saying Trump promised to unite the country? Biden only focused on uniting the country.
     
  4. Dayton3

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    I don't remember. I'm sure there are exceptions.
     
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    Anyone who can honestly look at what Trump did and compare that to what Biden is doing and think Biden is an improvement- is clearly unable to distinguish between a home before and after the tornado.
     
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    I'm not talking about Congress. I'm talking about Biden. And it's a mandate because he received over 50% of the vote. That is considered a mandate.
     
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    Actually IIRC traditionally a mandate meant you had to win the popular vote by a minimum of 5%.

    All that 50% + 1 means that if you're walking down the street every other person you meet hates you.
     
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    Yes. But two things: first, that wasn't in his MAIN campaign promises (the ones he repeated day in and day out in this rallies. He mentioned here and there in interviews, but it was not presented to "We The People" as a priority. Second, even if it were... as I state on the OP, he has until the last minute of the last day of his presidency to fulfill them.

    Trump didn't do, or even attempted to do tax reform. He just gave MORE tax breaks for the rich. Which was the ONLY campaign promise that he fulfilled In fact, the ONLY piece of meaningful legislation that he got passed. I don't recall him ever proposing any sort of actual comprehensive "tax reform" in his administration.

    Hundreds of studies, most of them peer-reviewed, and many of which I cited in several threads I opened, have proven again and again that systemic racism is real. NONE have been presented to counter these findings. That is what rational people call "facts". And denying "facts" is what rational people call "living in right-wing fantasy land"

    No thanks. I'll focus on all of the above. A real President can walk and chew gum. Obama fulfilled his mandate. He didn't accomplish EVERYTHING, but he did accomplish his main campaign promises. And it was a very successful administration. I expect Biden to do the same. And the fact that Biden included... maybe too many promises in his... is his problem. He just needs to fulfill it. If he doesn't, he might be an ok President. But we won't be able to refer to his administration as a "success", like we can refer to Obama's.
     
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    Trump accomplished NOTHING. So ANY accomplishment is an improvement. Trump's ONLY achievement was tax breaks for the rich. His one and only piece of significant legislation. Other than that everything else was negative: undermine the NATO alliance, give NK international recognition, botch TPP, remove us from the Paris Accord (albeit temporarily), turning one of the most successful recoveries into a recession (I know it was due to Covid, but Trump made it WORSE) the worst response to the pandemic in the developed world unnecessarily adding hundreds of thousand of deaths to the toll (and his covid narrative STILL adding more)... and on and on. In fact even NO accomplishment would be an improvement over Trump. But I think Biden already surpassed that by fixing at least some of the goof-ups that Trump left behind.

    Anyway... this thread is not about Trump. It's about Biden. Not sure why you insist on bringing up Trump on every thread. Now Trump is just a criminal who should be in jail, and that's all we need to know about him.
     
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  10. Dayton3

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    Not true. President Trump increased defense spending. Even better was the way he increased defense spending. Much of the increase for the navy was spent on maintenance of existing vessels.

    and the U.S. military under Trump killed a bunch of Russian mercs.
     
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    There is no set definition for "mandate". In the United States politicians have always claimed it when they obtain over 50% of the vote. And I have already stated that this is the definition I am using.

    But don't be confused. Having a mandate is not "good" for the President. It's a burden. It's good for the people who elected him.
     
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    And much of it was also squandered on building his "wall". But don't confuse "accomplishment" with just... something happened. Not much positive happened during the Trump administration, so when anything happened, that was noteworthy. But you "accomplish" when you promise in a campaign you will do something, you campaign on it.... your followers cheer for you and scream your "promise" to the top of their lungs: "Lock her up!.... Lock her up!" or "Build that wall!...Build that wall!" (just some examples).... and if you actually DO that, then you can use the word "accomplishment". i.e., you accomplished what the people elected you to do.

    See the difference?

    BTW, Trump had NOTHING to do with budget negotiations. Not like Obama and Biden have: meeting with their own party leaders AND the opposing party leaders to negotiate the projects they promised to do. Trump had TWO meetings with Democratic leaders. The first one he promised infrastructure to Democrats, McConnell shut him up, and then Trump refuse to negotiate about ANYTHING. The second was the one in which Trump had his famous meltdown because they were investigating him and so, again, he refuse to negotiate. So NOTHING was "accomplished" BY Trump.
     
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    Why? Because that is the most timely comparison. Only people who refuse to give credit where credit is due will say Trump accomplished nothing. We can say he would have accomplished a lot more if he had not been opposed by a left driven by unscrupulous partisan values and one being willing to do anything to avoid allowing Trump to lead and succeed. No doubt you ignored the recent testimony that Hillary Clinton personally directed that fake "evidence" implicating Trump was involved with Russia be released to the media. That is but one of many examples of the moral depravity behind the leaders of the left- and you only have to see that once to know it is the level they have chosen for themselves. To deny it, to tolerate it, taints everyone who does with the same label.

    If you give a damn about the American people, you would want them to be strong, be self-confident, proud and honest. Trump promoted that. Biden is promoting just the opposite, and botched every task he's been involved in- and left many that should be done- undone. Indefensible in an individual- utterly dispicable in a president.

    You think you are smart. i think you are smart too. But I don't think you are wise, and I don't think you are honest with yourself. IF you were, you would acknowledge that these things are true.
     
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    Was that the mandate? Or was the mandate just and only just to be rid of Trump? Down ballot wise, the GOP did pretty good. The Republicans gained 13 house seats, that’s the first time since 1884 and only the second time in our history that a candidate for president won the popular vote via to winning the presidency and lost house seats. Grover Cleveland accomplished that, but he won the popular vote by a mere 58,000 votes, not 7 million plus. Add to that 13-seat house lost, the Democrats also lost a governorship and 2 state legislatures. That’s not a mandate in my book for any of the Democrats agenda.


    Look at how independents voted, 41% for Trump. They wanted him gone. But then independents gave Republican congressional candidates 48% of their vote, Republican governor candidates 51% and Republican Senate candidates 52%. There were approximately 7 million ticket splitters who voted for Biden, in reality, against Trump, not necessarily for Biden, almost anyone would have done to include Atilla the Hun as long as his last name wasn’t Trump. Then voted Republican down ballot.


    That’s not an election mandate, a split decision, yes, but not a mandate. The only mandate was to be rid of Trump. Of course, the Democrats not surprisingly misread the total election results. They and like most others only looked at the presidential, not the entire ballot. Throw out the presidency, the Republicans had a very good election. You can’t do that though. One must take the entire election result into consideration, not just one office.


    Bottom line is Biden had no coat tails. He failed to bring another single democrat into congress. That should tell you something about a mandate. If there was a mandate for the Democratic agenda, the people would have elected more Democrats than just Biden. FDR had a mandate in 1932, he brought 97 other Democratic house members along with him. Truman had a mandate in 1948, he brought along 75 other democrats to the house. LBJ added 38 Democratic house members in 1974, Reagan added 34 republicans in 1980, Obama added 23 democrats in 2008. Biden lost 13 in 2020, some mandate.
     
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    Of course there is systemic racism. The system was built to operate under the conditions of Whiteness:

    "objective, rational, linear thinking," "quantitative emphasis," "hard work before play,"

    https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonia...story and Culture had no comment for Newsweek.

    Blacks, lacking these virtues, cannot succeed in a system built for Whites.
     
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    I'll settle for them not voting for a proven criminal like Trump.

    Trump promoted anti-science and white supremacy. So today white supremacists and the anti-science crowd feel strong, self-confident,... all those things. Instead of feeling they belong in the closet. But it's in the closet where they belong.

    BTW, your post is remarkably devoid of any sort of substance... I couldn't find anything worth responding to.
     
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    Speaking of being "remarkably devoid of any sort of substance", what 'substance' do you offer to indicate that Trump promoted "White Supremacy"?

    As far as being "anti-science" goes, well, no, Trump ain't, uh, "Mr. Spock", but he did a good job of getting Operation Warp Speed into existence, and in a mere seven months, before the end of the same year, JOE BIDEN and KAMALA HARRIS had their first COVID-19 vaccinations! But, perhaps those on the radical Left would have preferred that Trump just let the virus 'flap-in-the-breeze', and go on a big snipe-hunt for "Systemic Racism" which supposedly promotes "White Supremacy" instead...? :party:

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    You’re correct that the definition of a mandate varies. This is the first time I’ve heard of 50% plus one being a mandate. Winning by 10 points or more, yes. Bringing along 20 or more members of your party into congress, yes, regardless of the percentage you won by. I fail to see a mandate when one wins by 4 points and loses seats in congress. Well, it is what it is as I said the definition of a mandate varies. I don’t consider Biden even coming close to a mandate.


    Obama had a mandate in 2008, he won by 7 points and brought along 26 house members and 8 senators. They you had to go back to Reagan in 1980 for the last president to have a mandate, he won by 10 points and added 36 house members and 12 senators.


    Biden may have indeed promised all those things. All presidential candidates make a ton of promises they knew they can’t keep. Few expect them to keep those promises. As one news anchor said when a while back when asked about a president not keeping his campaign promises, “Those were campaign promises, no one expects a president to keep any of them anymore.”


    Which if you do or did, you’re the expection. Me, all campaign promises goes in one ear and out the other. I just vote for the candidate I think will make the best president or whatever office they're running for. Expecting a candidate to keep his campaign promises is so passe.
     
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    You want me to show instances of Mr. "S-hole Countries"?.. Mr. "Go-back-where-you-came-from"?... Mr. "There-are-good-people" [referring to white supremacist who shouted "Jews will not replace us!"]?.... Mr "He-was-born-in-Kenya"?... Mr. "They're-bringing-drugs"?... and on and on...

    Yeah... I think I have examples of him promoting white supremacy.

    Actually what he did was a poor job of undermining Operation Warp Speed. But try to undermine it he did. Like firing the guy in charge of coordinating vaccine efforts, because he refused to divert resources to research voodoo cures like HCQ. This was a case in which it was fortunate that the guy can't do anything right.

    Anyway... different topic.
     
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    Lots of 'gobbledygook' in those 'potential' tax law changes... but, hey, anybody can "propose" anything -- it's what gets passed and 'cast-in-concrete' that matters.

    Trump 'kinda-sorta' tried to reform taxes, and, in truth, he 'kinda-sorta' FAILED to produce the massive tax reform that would have been necessary to make the U. S. Tax Code fair for all taxpayers. If Biden is successful in getting real tax reform out of the congressional 'meatgrinder' that gets rid of 'shelters', 'loopholes', 'exclusions', 'exemptions', 'deductions' -- and -- 'carried-interest', it would be a miracle! And that 'miracle' would last until some pack of tax attorneys find newer and even more inventive ways to make certain that the rich never (NEVER) pay a genuine 'fair-share' of personal income taxes....
     
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    It doesn't matter if they expect a President to keep them or not. My point is that it's an objective way to measure if an administration was successful. And not doing that is the apathy on the part of the voters that politicians love.

    And this is the attitude that many politicians love. By not holding them accountable, you are falling into their game.

    Not me, though....
     
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    It's one thing to make tasteless, unsavory remarks about sovereign, foreign 'shithole' countries, but that's not the same as promoting 'White Supremacy'.

    But I can't believe how blithely the radical Left condemns Trump for standing-up and rolling Operation Warp Speed forward! He started with NOTHING, and in seven months -- ta-dah -- we had a vaccine! If the hyperliberal Left had been running the operation, it would have taken them seven months just to find the right proportion of gay, transgender, Black, Hispanic, Asian, etc., etc., to fill the top positions of some immense 'vaccine' bureaucracy that Democrats think must (MUST) always be part of every single thing the government does.... Instead, Trump marshalled 'Big Pharma' and medical science, and got the vaccine 'out the door'.

    As I've said many times, Trump didn't go to 'charm-school'. He's crude, blustering, and abrasive -- but sometimes it takes those features to get something as clogged with bureaucratic deadwood as government is MOVING! Aside -- I've always loved the illustration that revered humorist, Art Buchwald used to describe 'Civil Service': a slouching ruin....
     
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    What's his mandate to screw up the economy as badly as possible? To cause as much pain for us little people as he humanly possibly could?

    If so he's doing a bang-up fine job.
     

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