14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

You are right, we should, but we won't.

Do you think it is more likely to change culture over gun laws?

If so, why?

 

I would have liked to have thought so, but in this case, they apparently waited 40+ minutes to enter, so the evidence seems to weigh against my hope here.

 

You aren't worth arguing with. I am not going to rise to your goading. When you start to psychanalyse me , having no information about me other than where I live, you are lost in your own imaginary world.
We are discussing général gun ownership, not law enforcement. Stop changing the context.

 

yeah you did. Not directly but indirectly you want the government to take away your ability to use a firearm. So that you can be murdered in a mass shooting without any ability to shoot back.

maybe you need to do a better job explaining your position because from my perspective it looks like you're a conspiracy theorist and that you believe in some gun culture that's aggressive and belligerent I live in it I know better than you it's not.

I didn't misunderstand your position it's just that your position is a lie.

You want the whole country to be a shooting gallery because you want want to country to be entirely like a school where you just run around and catch bullets

Every school shooting in recent history has happened because of your idea of gun control that's what you make.

One guy with gun can just mow down an entire group of people because there's nobody to stop them.

And you want that to be the whole country because people who own guns are people you don't like. I think your entire position here is completely personal

 

Go lie down. You may feel better later.
I certainly hope so.

 

We fixed that too. I am a “Banana Bender” which is an old term for a Queenslander. It is the pointy bit on the eastern top side of Australia. Back in the eighties we had the highest rate of child drownings in the world. Let me repeat that. We had the highest rate of child drownings in the world. We have around 5-10 deaths per year currently - mostly toddlers unsupervised by parents or farm incidents with dams and ponds

We mandated pool fencing - some public education “Stay alive do the five” and we saw that rate plummet
https://www.mpbaa.com.au/images/sto...ting_Drowning_of_Children_-_Cochrane_1998.pdf

So, we legislated responsible behaviour.

What are speed limits?

Legislated responsible behaviour

What does your second amendment say?

“A WELL REGULATED militia”

You can still legislate responsibility

 

That's right I'm not worth arguing with because you cannot win.

We can just analyze patterns and destroy your position.

99% of mass shootings happen in places where you're not allowed to have a gun.

If we go by what we can observe gun control provide a safe haven for Mass shooters to slaughter as many people as they can.

There's nobody there to stop them.

I understand I am not worth arguing with because you cannot debate that fact. All you can say is but in another country we don't have that issue and pretend it's whatever nonsense you want.

 

That's right don't address the subject you can't.

Instead talk about me.

 

This is the Crux of what you don't understand.

You can't legislate responsible behavior. That would indicate that legislation controls the thoughts and minds of people.

The Second amendment says:

"A well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state."

This is all it says about a militia. That it's necessary for the security of a free state.

You have to first know what a militia is in order to have any understanding of this.

A militia is townspeople getting their guns and their rifles and their axes together to form a fighting unit.

The well-regulated part means they should have a weapons.

If people are not permitted to own whatever guns they want and however much they want how are they going to form a militia?

That's why the second part of the amendment says:

The right of the people...

Not the militia not the government the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

This isn't up for debate, the supreme Court who is created to review la and it's made up of lawyers who have studied us have ruled that the people are the people not the militia. It is an individual right

In order to have any intelligent discussion on this you have to understand that.

 

But are family interviewed as well. Just that this kid went and killed his grandmother first.

 

The well regulated part means there is some structure overseen by à responsible person.
Not that they should have weapons.
Weapons do not define regulation.
99% of mass shootings happen where you are not allowed to have a gun??
Your 2A allows EVERYONE to have a gun.
Your inability to hold àn informed, considered conversation never gets any better.

 

This is an opinionated interprétation, that à militia is not comprised of people.
ISTM this was à convenient way to drop the référence to the context of being in à militia being necessary to be allowed to hold guns.
That the SCOTUS actually rewrote 2A without actually passing that though the proper democratic process.

 

What has this got to do with Swiss gun laws, the debate that you started? You are all over the place, no one said anything about murder rates

 

Sigh.

 

That's not what it says.

 

Apparently his family was using drugs, he used to wear dressés, he felt alienated with no support and wanted some notoriety.
Européan press.

 

Last I heard, Grandma was still alive. Shot in the face, but alive.

 

It was an officer who said "wearing some sort of body armour", not a journalist (it was a tactical vest). Did you even listen to the link. This is hardly important , perhaps you could say what colour it was as you seem to think that what he was wearing is fundamental to this event. The point is that the 3 armed officers could not deal with one novice armed with a rifle who had only just got his guns

 

It was the élément most discussed by learned judges who had reason for their conclusion.
I note à clear and profound absence of your own interpretation and justification of your opinion.
So once again, I cant find anything worth discussing in your post.

 

Of course it is........particularly in a country which is awash with guns.

but the issueis multi layered. It is not just guns.......Itis the cultue that values weapons and viollence........... and sees this as strength, or self protectiion..........

That is a hot clue right there. Shooting his gran in the face.........."normal" people don't do that...........

There probably were all kinds of clues to his mental state........but they were missed by both his family and his teachers.

There should be a psychologist attached to every school...............and teachers should know what types of behavior are potentially problematic. It is better to have issues checked out than assume they are transient or ignore them.

 

Oh you can claim that it's opinionated but the only opinion that matters is the supreme Court and they disagree with you.

They are constitutional experts you can't even read the amendment without adding BS into it that doesn't exist.

No they didn't you don't know what a militia is, you can't read where it says the right of the people not the militia the people shall not be infringed.

I'm going to go with people that are more honest than you that know better what a malitia is than you, and isn't bent on some stupid political viewpoint that you have confessed you can't defend.

I'm sorry the reality of all of this does not reflect your bat **** nuts opinion.

 

Not the point I was making..

 

why would it be there's no hidden context except for liars who went to pretend there's hidden contacts to support their bat **** nuts view points.

That's correct there's nothing worth discussing here because you are wrong and you cannot reconcile it.

The Constitution says something other than what you say the supreme Court has said for 270 years something other than what you say you have no idea what a militia is.

It's not worth discussing because you can't.

 

And?

 

Ahhh, truth hurt, I'm sorry