14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

The over availability of forks is what causes obesity.

The over availability of keyboards and pencils is what causes misspellings.

Now I'm no expert and I don't think I have to be to have an opinion. You hear a bunch of gunshots in an elementary school you know what's going on...

You don't have a pow wow, you go in there and do what needs to be done. Not wait 40 minutes for your damn supervisor to tell you what to do

 

I think if they were in their rescuing children they were rescuing them all the media just likes to say the police are bad. They were probably holding their parents back so they didn't get killed too.

And there is this entire stinking shitstorm of politics swirling around this thing. All these subhuman garbage trying to pry this for a political edge.

To believe none of what you hear. This scum has been constantly lying to us over the past half decade.

 

What type of punishment do you think would make people overcome their fear of being killed or suffering permanent physical disability that might put an end to their law enforcement career?

Let's not forget these days that if police make one little mistake, they could end up in a world of legal trouble. They are scared of pulling out a gun and doing their job.

The hero gets no reward, he only takes on risks.

 

what I read was they were going in there to rescue their own children this is probably a media hatchet job on the police if it turns out that the suspicion is correct this scum has dropped below human.

and it is laws forbidden gun possession which made sure they had no ability to do that

imagine how different it would be if they were able to return fire.

 

Your refusal to see the logical sense to it is your own shortcoming and not my fault. What I know, is that police responding to any shooting incident are always going to be behind the curve even in ideal response situations. So having several private security armed officers onscene at schools at any and all points of the day that kids are present objectively increases the quality of response to active shooters, among other issues schools face.

To pretend this isn’t true is beyond absurd and extremely indicative of emotional thinking rather than fact based logical thinking.

 

You'll have to force them to carry a gun, over 70% of them don't want to.

But I guess you know how to handle the situation much better than they do.

 

Stupid comment. No you don't.

30% that want to do.

Do you ever give a second to rational thought before your open your mouth?

When they handle it people die over and over and over again. How many of these Mass murderers have they permitted?

They clearly aren't capable of handling it. And you think the answer is give them more control?

 

Let's start with guns, ey.

Read:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...z-8cHwYC7AAmgoJocRwdMqMzpwVcpYODEz7imHiBj1MJ4

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...z-8cHwYC7AAmgoJocRwdMqMzpwVcpYODEz7imHiBj1MJ4

 

So, let's go with 30 percent of teachers would be willing to carry.

Would the school boards allow it if it means 70 percent of teachers would resign out of fear for their safety?

What about when many parents pull their kids from school out of fear for their safety because of all the guns? I imagine the drop in revenue would cripple or kill the school districts.

 

The safety that let these 14 and 2 teachers die? If they resigned over that good riddance. Maybe we can over larger bonuses to the teachers that really wasn't to do something.

Again the "safety that permitted these 14 children and two to die?

What ****ing safety are you talking about?

But a fresh coat of blood once in a while is good.

What crazy plant do you live on where there are 14 dead children in a school and you think there was any safety there at all?

I'm really starting to wonder if people have had their brains replaced with bean dip.

 

[QUOTE="Bush Lawyer, post: 1073472284, member:].newyorker.[/QUOTE]
Garbage tabloids aren't valid sources.

Anybody who uses statistics is lying.

 

You dismiss the fact that the police were there at the school. How many I honestly don't know but the fact is they were there and your argumenht is to have more. See, the logic doesn't escape me, I get it but the other fact still remains. The cost factor.

 

I think it does.

If they were there before the shooter they could have stopped him.

He might not have even tried if he knew police would put him down on sight.

 

Sorry, I don't think the benefits of allowing teachers that want it to carry in schools will outweigh the cost. That is my opinion. It is just as valid as yours.

I believe it will either result in more overall people dying, even if not all in a short period of time, or result in the destruction of the school system. I believe most parents and teachers will not allow ANYONE other than trained, certified police officers to carry in the schools, if we are lucky.

I am starting to wonder if unfeeling, uncaring, selfish gun huggers have had THEIR brains replaced?

Us people that are willing to enforce common sense gun laws? WE OUTNUMBER YOU. And with the dangers and tragedies continuing to escalate, it is only a matter of time before we get those laws pushed through.

 

Delete

 

It doesn't matter if you people push 50,000 laws.

The problem wasn't absence of law. There was a law saying you can't have a gun on school there was a law saying you can't murder kids. If you make a thousand laws saying you can't have a gun it won't make a difference.

The problem was a lack of enforcement. With a thousand more laws of you don't have enforcement it will be nothing but lip service.

Your common sense gun laws are ironically named. Like the Patriot act. They aren't coming sense because they can't be enforced.

You have no idea what the problem even is you flew off the handle like a Bible thumper to attack political foes and blame them because that's more important to you.

You're are giddy at this murder so you can use it to clobber gun huggers. Do you realize how ****ing twisted that is?

 

Unlike some of my conservative friends, I support any reasonable gun restriction that is consistent with the 2nd Amendment. Figuring out where the line is isn't easy, since the Supreme Court won't and really cannot tell us. But specifically, I'd start with Elon Musk's recommendation: Tight background check for all retail sales of firearms, and a special license and regular training for possession of AR's and similar weapons. Absolutely no sales of AR's to 18 year old males like Ramas without a special showing of need and mental competency. Lots of periodic safety training. Maybe affidavits of support from 3 adult people in the community with knowledge of the applicant and clean records themselves.

I also support limits on the amount and type of ammo one can purchase; guns are harmless without ammo. I think our latest Little Monster had over 300 rounds. I don't know how that happened, but I don't like it. Not necessary for either self defense or the local militias, if we even have those anymore.

No, these measures won't address the root cause of too many school shootings, that is, the feeling of alienation suffered by too many young American males. Nor will it eliminate the evil that lurks in the hearts of men.

I'd also support a national awareness campaign to encourage all communities to get to know their neighbors much, much better. If a lonely, young, angry INCEL spends all his time in his room and talks incessantly about weapons, be on guard. Some of these problems have to be addressed at the local and even the neighborhood level.

I wouldn't mandate socializing, obviously.

Look, I don't like any of this. I wish it were 1958 again and we could all relax. But it isn't and we can't. Until we get our act together, we are just going to have to bend a little.

 

Sorry, I am not giddy at all. I take no pleasure at 'attacking' my political opposites. At least, no more than they do.

I AM TIRED OF US DOING NOTHING AND I WANT THE SENSELESS VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION TO END!!!!!

And maybe there is nothing that people are WILLING to do to change the facts of how things are, but that does not make me less angry, it actually makes me more angry.

Fear of death or prison, along with a family that I love and support, is what is keeping me from considering violent bloody revolution. If that is taken away from me, I will act.

And I don't think I am alone. Not by a long shot .

And I am not stupid enough to just grab a gun and jump the person that I want revenge on that is likely to be armed. And I think there are a LOT of people that think similarly.

You aren't worried, at all? You really think your gun will save you?

I just don't get the arrogance here. Why do you underestimate your potential enemies? Why do you assume they are stupid and will make rookie mistakes?

And NO, I don't mean the personal you here, this is for all those gun huggers that won't compromise at all on gun restrictions or enforcement.

 

Okay, fair enough. I think it's a good start.

We would still need to address the factors that cause the alienation, from the top all the way down, so I am not hopeful at all, but it is what it is.

But I have never really been a believer in the whole most violent people are stupid cliche. I believe most people that are aggressive, weather that be physically, physiologicaly, or manipulatively, are evil, not stupid.

And I don't see ANY way to stop them without BECOMING them.

I have NO faith in humanity left for anyone I don't personally know.

 

sure enough I believe you I don't think you want to see people die.

But calm down think about it for a minute if you made all sorts of laws regulating all sorts of guns the problem with the shooter was lack of enforcement.

I believe you and I never believed you were a monster that was hyperbolic.

I want this senseless violence to stop too. To start early time as a woman but I feel why don't we try enforcing the law? We already have laws against this? I've seen these things happen since I was in high school one of them happened during an assault weapons ban. That law was not effective.

I think there are things people are willing to change if I believed for a minute that banning AR-15s or requiring people to jump through extra hoops when buying it on would stop this sort of thing I would support it 100%.

Remember I don't think you're a monster I think you do absolutely hate that this violence happens I see your humanity please see mine.

what's stopping me is I don't think I should inflict to violence upon people even if I lose everything it's not their fault.

I know you're angry I know your heart broken I don't think you are heartless.

If I can know these things about you is it that hard for you to see them and me just because we disagree on the problem and how to fix it?

no a gun can't save me no weapon can weapons are just tools. Just like a wrench makes it easier to loosen a nut a pistol makes it easier to use my skills to defend myself.

I know it's pretty common to think that we're all just cowboys walking around trying to be John Wayne that's kind of like me saying you are giddy about this that is hyperbolic. The reality is every gun owner I know hopes to God they never have to use their firearm against a person.

the way I see it is you're not my enemy, you are my countrymen. I don't want to be your enemy I don't want to fight with you I want peace.

I'm not afraid. I don't think it will come to that I think you're frustrated and angry and nobody's listening to you and for my role in that I apologize.

My thoughts are how much more do we need to compromise. There are laws restricting guns there are laws restricting where you can have guns who can have guns or you can carry guns how big of a gun you can buy how many guns you can buy there are guns that are completely unavailable to people we had an assault weapons ban a school shooting happened during it and it wasn't done with what would have been considered an assault weapon if it had the accessories.

Again I would agree with you 100% if I believed more laws were the answer. It's not because I want an AR-15 I don't have one I don't like them.

It's because the people that do this violate a law that's already there what difference would it make to them if they violated two or three or 50?

We can talk about this I'll drop the hyperbole. If you're willing to listen to me I'm willing to listen to you.

We just can't keep talking past each other it will lead to nothing.

 

I have a thought on stopping them without becoming them.

It will cost money it will not be cheap who will not be perfect it might not even work at all but I have an idea.

In order to enforce the law you have to have law enforcement present. Have having no father in the home doesn't matter and this will stick around for another week and then it'll be right back to bed there is an effect when law enforcement is present and everybody knows it's there it's not perfect it doesn't work all the time but it does work. Uniformed presents. Of course this would require police that are very community minded because they need to be people that can be trusted. I know trust in the police is down I have trust issues with the police but their presence in the community and their effect on it can change that for the better.

I just really think this is the only way to even come close to affecting a change.

What do you think about it?

 

Then they damned well should be if the excuse that guns are for hunting is used.
I ask again. If not for hunting, why would an 18 year old need and consequently be sold TWO such weapons?
Just what IS in background checks? Didn't someone get suspicious?

 

I am from Europe where the ROW seems to get on quite well without guns. We don't have this savage minds that eats its own tail and kills innocent people...SMALL CHILDREN!!.
in the process.
I'll tell you who is out of touch...the crazies who have guns to protect themselves because others have guns. The whole thing is dystopian.

 

Young people who are clearly troubled as this one was...withdrawn, bullied, gender issues, should receive counselling and the left don't care what race they are. They don't have to have been known to have committed à crime before. His teachers who know he was not socially "normal" should have picked it up years earlier.