14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

It's on video. The fog has cleared, significantly.

 

Anyone who doesn't like our gun culture is free to live anywhere else in the world, there are ships and planes leaving every day. Strangely enough, tens of millions of people risk their lives every year to come to America. Maybe they have more brains than our anti-gun crowd

 

Unfortunately, there's a level of complacency? Lack of urgency? When it comes to preparing mentally and physically for this kind of scenario.

The town I grew up in has a PD with 6 officers, including the chief. The chief and I have known each other since kindergarten. I questioned him one day about tactical preparedness and he had that, "aww shucks, that ain't gonna happen here", mentality. All I could do is shake my head.

 

Like?

 

As I said, you want to change the Constitution, go for it. You'll find it difficult, and for a very good reason. Our Constitution is the most important and wise political document of the last 400 years.

 

Born of an utter lack of surety about what you want the country to be and represent, exacerbated by religious nutters who want to turn your country into another religious state.
Instead of throwing snowballs that don't do real damage and soon meĺt, you need to recognise à common goal and identity and demand your politicians work towards it.
ISTM the USA has lost its way. And that is truly sad.
BTW you aren't the only one. But others don't have your lack of gun control.

 

Irrelevant. It has been changed as time passés. It is not god's word incised in stone.

 

No, what we need to do is adhere to our Constitution as is, and work for a moral revival.

 

Generally speaking, these immigrants don't factor in the guns. Those from Sth America or Mexico probably feel that the USA is
more civilized than their nations, what with narcos and gang violence - and find America aint much different, particuarly Chicago
or Florida. There are many factors which draw people to the USA, but gun violence isn't one of them.
In the next eight years I suggest a million people will be shot in America. More die dailly than in Ukraine.

 

Well, then change it if you think you can. I'm betting against you.

 

1. Look at Google maps street view and you'll see there's no perimeter barrier around the campus.

2. There's video of the shooter walking through an unlocked door.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/s...door/285-14e6da25-b301-4946-bd60-19b1c6fbffee

3. It's being credibility reported that the cops drug their asses going in to attack.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/s...door/285-14e6da25-b301-4946-bd60-19b1c6fbffee

 

Obviously, protection by law enforcement is non-existent, now.

 

You're missing the point. Your obsession with our gun culture is not their obsession. I like our country the way it is and so do they. Europe has presumed to tell us how much superior to us they are since Columbus landed. Hasn't worked out well for them. Isn't it about time for another genocidal European America has to save the world from? What's Germany up to these days?

 

America's gun culture - in seven charts - BBC News
There were 1.5 million (deaths) between 1968 and 2017 - that's higher than the number of soldiers killed in every US conflict
since the American War for Independence in 1775.
2020 saw over 45,000 people died by firearms.

According to Brady Key Statistics (bradyunited.org)
that figure stands at 117,000 firearm injuries per year, or 321 per day. Someone has likely been shot while writing this....

 

I don't consider it a snowball fight, this is the current party in power. This is the party that has majorities, blames the minority side for its inability to get anything done and then it looks like an angel. No, I'm holding their feet to the fire. If you've got the power to make positive changes in the world and don't utilize that power, you can't blame others for your own failure to do so.

There's steps they can take, moderately reasonable that both sides can agree on to reduce the bloodshed in this country. But to do that, takes away a talking point.

 

My family spent 260 years in America (1640-1900), and we are all pro-American. Go there often.
But... the sheer proliferation of hand guns in particular, is terrifying. Why would you want a hand gun for, if not to kill another person?
You don't hunt animals with hand guns.
You like your country the way it is? Change nothing? Every school has to have security officers, and now just one is not enough?
You ok when kids can buy body armor and AR15's ?? Whole urban areas out of bounds to even police? Chicago reminds me of Mad
Max. Yes this moving was made in Australia, but we need don't firearm 'security.'

 

There weren't 45,000 gun murders in 2020. Y'all need to stop lying.

 

Isn't it amazing that America can't decide on a simple thing like a gun death. America did a lot to handle road fatalities
through studying the problem, publicizing data, enacting legislation, making licenses harder to get, better roads and
cars etc.. This hasn't happened with guns because AMERICA CAN'T EVEN DO THE DATA on gun deaths. Who knows,
maybe there's 50,000, even 75,000 gun deaths? There's something to hide so the figures have to worse IMO.

 

You're being dishonest by adding in suicides

 

Teachers should feel safe in the school environment, and then be allowed to do their job
No way on earth should teachers be armed.

I have seen footage of the police preventing parents attempting to go into the school to save their children.

America is in love with death by shooting, and nothing should restrict the ‘freedom’ for armed people to massacre little kids huh?

Most of the pro gun Americans are probably more interested in the make and type of gun, and marvelling at it’s power, than the gut wrenching devastation visited upon so many.

 

I am referring to gun deaths - that includes suicides, accidents and homicides.

 

If we look at the timeline, the shooting happened as soon as he locked the classroom door. High probability that everyone in that classroom were shot in the first few minutes. He then stayed in that classroom. The question to then ask should the few unprepared officers try to storm that classroom? The answer is no. Better equipped officers are on their way. The same situation happens when firemen arrive at a fire. The situation has to be assessed. If you are sure that you can no longer save anyone by immediately rushing in, it is better to be cautious.

The question also to be asked is would any child be alive now who died from blood loss at a hospital. I highly doubt it given that they were shot at close range with that sort of gun and probably shot multiple times. Are any of the shot children expected to live? I can't find that answer

 

Any liberal ideology supports mental health.
I hope that includes the right.
This making à human need and à better society, à political issue is nonsense. Are you more interested in your war or the betterment of the country?

 

Which is intellectually dishonest.

 

ISTM that was thrown out of the window years ago as laws became more and more distant from the original intent, pushed further and further towards "personal rights " instead of the national good by some gun rights lobby whose directors earn millions of dollars each year via a tax free "charity".
So the bottom line is that tou lose tax money you could have from an organisation that fuels the possibility of murdering children.
A CHARITY?? Who is benefitting??