Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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    No warranty covers an act of war.
    Russia committed an act of war against Ukraine, which went against its own signed obligations. For all intents and purposes all warranties and liabilities to any Russian entity are null and void.
     
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    We are observing an interesting trend here - most of those who side with Russian fascism tend to be conspiracy nuts, holocaust deniers, and anti-semites.
    Could that be an insight into what Russians turned themselves into? I’ve heard Jews are leaving Russia in droves these days. :eek:
     
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    Well, he got close - he was questioning American moon landings.
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    Shame his naZi space program can't even manage to send a probe to check it out :D
     
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    Angela Merkel on Ukraine, Putin and her legacy | DW News


    Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel defended her legacy on Ukraine in a wide-ranging interview on Tuesday. In her first major interview since leaving office, Merkel condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, but said she refused to apologize for her policies towards Moscow.

    Speaking on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, she said: "In my view, what happened was not just unacceptable, but also a major mistake from Russia."

    "It's an objective breach of all international laws and of everything that allows us in Europe to live in peace at all. If we start going back through the centuries and arguing over which bit of territory should belong to whom, then we will only have war. That's not an option whatsoever."

    Merkel conceded that there could have been a harsher response to Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea, but said that serious steps had been taken. She cited Russia's exclusion from the Group of Leading Industrial Nations (G8) and NATO's stipulation that members spend 2% of GDP on defense.

    Merkel also defended her opposition to Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO in 2008.

    She said that if NATO had granted them membership, Russian President Vladimir Putin could have caused "enormous damage in Ukraine." She also cited systemic corruption issues in Ukraine.

    "President Zelenskyy is unbelievably bravely fighting against corruption, but at the time, Ukraine really was a country governed by oligarchs, and so there you can't just say "ok tomorrow we'll take them into NATO," she said.

    "I don't blame myself for not having tried hard enough," Merkel responded to a question about how much she could have done to prevent an escalation with Russia. "Fortunately, I tried sufficiently. It is a great sadness that I did not succeed."​

    It is interesting to hear from the former Kanzlerin on this issue. I for one do not blame her for current events, as I'm sure Putin was determined to try and retake Ukraine after his puppet was deposed in 2014 and no western country could realistically have foreseen how Putin would act or prevented it.
     
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    Why don't you get off your ass and look through what I just handed you.

    Then there's also the NATO/Russia Treaty

    It doesn't matter though, as there is plenty in writing. The West's leaders are a bunch of *******ned liars. You could chisel it in stone and the weasels in DC and their clingers-on in Europe would get a case of amnesia just like they have done so many times in the past. Just like the Nazis in Ukrop land forgot all about Minsk I & II.
     
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    Again, there is no war between the US and Russia, and US sanctions should not include medical equipment and farmacy.
     
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    You mean "pharmacy".

    And yes, US sanctions must most definitely include everything that uses chips.
     
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    I did Billy. I don't run off and hide when people provide links, unlike someone I know.

    What I saw was a conversation between a US official & the head of a soon to be deceased nation/empire. There was no agreement with NATO there, just a conversation. Baker had no right to negotiate on behalf of NATO and he did not. Further, even if there had been an agreement it would have had to be renegotiated when the USSR came to an end and a bunch of new nations crawled out from under its carcas into the light.

    So, we still don't have any formal agreement with NATO there comrade.

    Great, then you can provide that for us instead & point to the bit where NATO promises not to add new members without Russia's approval.

    Maybe this time you will have that agreement you claim exists. Over to you Billy boy.

    ....and we are back to this - you basically admitting that you have nothing except hatred. Russia has shown time & again that it has zero respect for any piece of paper it signs. I guess that is what made you guys such natural allies for Hitler.
     
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    Yes, I meant pharmacy, medicaments.
     
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    Don't forget actual Nazis and....sorry you won't like this.....Trump supporters. Support for Ukraine is pretty bipartisan, but there are a disproportionate number of Trump supporters backing Putin, along with the sad collection you have identified.

    But yes, that is a pretty good insight into what Russia is. I won't say 'become', because Russia has always been fertile ground for authoritarian ideologies and conspiracy theories. Helps to explain why it is so backward.
     
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    Far-sighted people in the US are betting on Russia as a counterbalance to China. The US can easily contain poor Russia, but it will be very difficult for the US to contain super-rich China. It is not difficult for China to create its own armed forces, which will surpass the armed forces of all NATO countries.
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    WASHINGTON, 11 July. /TASS/. China will be the main security challenge for the United States in the coming century. This opinion was expressed on Thursday by General Mark Milley, nominated by President Donald Trump to the post of chairman of the Committee of the Chiefs of Staff of the United States Armed Forces (AF).

    Speaking at his nomination hearing before the U.S. Senate Armed Forces Committee, the military leader answered yes to a question about whether he believes China is likely the biggest of the five long-term threats to the United States.

    “I think absolutely. I think that China is the main challenge to US national security in the next 50-100 years.
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    What "Western Alliance"? Everyone will be dead. It is absolutely certain that the contents of all nuclear power plants in the West will rise to a height of 10-15 km and disperse over a vast territory. All major cities will turn into highly radioactive dumps. A nuclear war can only be total and absolutely sudden, so that the attacker does not receive the maximum possible response.

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    This is a different issue. We simply don't know what a full scale civilian nuclear war will look like. You can read all sort of publications giving all sorts of assessments. I hold the damage won't be much different to mass aerial bombing as in WW2 - the fire bombing of Tokyo was much worse than the nuclear bombing. But this is getting off the topic.
     
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    So you've gone from claiming that only Russia can stop the US from dominating the world and making it 'unipolar' - and explicitly ignoring China in the process - to claiming China is going ot take over the world without Russia as a counterbalance. Looks like the propaganda line has changed.

    Unfortunately for you 'far sighted people' don't exist in Russia. If the ydid Russia would be a democracy, part of the EU and working for the prosperity of its people. Instead you get the dumb peasant version - a second rate dictatorship spending a fortune on a second rate military that is losing an unecessary war.

    You should probably start learning to speak Chinese. It will help you understand what your new overlords want.
     
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    You are unable to understand the words of your military leader. China is the future challenge of the US, and Russia is capable of destroying the US today. Read carefully what smart people write. You need to make the most of what's left of your brain.
     
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    If you respect common sense, then it is clear to you that a nuclear war can only be sudden and total. Otherwise, the attacker will receive the maximum possible retaliatory nuclear strike.
     
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    He is not my 'military leader', so that isn't going to impress me. I am also not impressed by a repetitive, reguritated, kindergarten level understanding of international relations. In a few days you will be manically repeating a different talking point.

    The only contribution of value you have to make is to remind us why Russia is such a poorly run nation that makes such poor decisions.
     
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    For which Baker was rebuked and disavowed by President Bush.
    And in any case, that whole idea was intended to prop up the Soviet Union, and became obsolete when the USSR dissolved.

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