New poll: Majority of Americans oppose Supreme Court ruling on abortion

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  1. Pixie

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    This is silly.
    The basis for deciding if abortion is legal is the definition of "life".
    You can't have multiple interprétations of "life" .
    Either something is alive or isn't.
    And if life cannot be universalité déterminer, NO légal authority can use it as an excuse for a faith based determination.
     
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    I have never said anything like that and believing abortion is wrong doesn't say that about me. I have never heard of using a mask as a contraceptive. What point does dragging them into this dispute make for you?
     
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    Democrats don't trust polls.

    They use them to try to get what they want.

    Just as they use anything to try to get what they want.
     
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    Having the government dictate what you can and can’t do with your body is worse, and sets a precedent, making it much easier for them to dictate what we can and can’t do with our bodies in the future.

    Christians not liking something doesn’t make it ok for the government to be tyrannical. We have separation of church and state for a reason. We are not a theocracy here. If Christians don’t want abortions, fine, don’t have them. No one is forcing you to. But leave everyone else the hell alone.
     
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    I agree and now that this issue is in the hands of voters it has finally become part of the democratic process. Are you concerned the democratic process will decide against abortion?
     
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    Personal rights beat out democracy. If everyone votes to confiscate firearms, I will ignore it, as should everyone. If everyone votes to repeal the right to free speech, that should be ignored. If everyone votes to give the government power over our bodies, that should be ignored. Democracy should never be used as an excuse to let the government discard our rights. Personal rights, especially concerning our own bodies, are greater than the decisions of state or federal governments. If it was voted to outlaw Christianity, should Christians go along with that decision? Some things are greater than democracy, and rights concerning our own bodies are one of them.
     
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    Of course if polls confirm that what they want to do is the will of the majority.
    So would anyone.
     
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    Only difference is they will make them up.
     
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    Many things should be down to state level, abortion is one of them. Very few things should be at government level. Government should just maintain infrastructure, defence, and tweaking how the economy runs with fiscal and monetary policy. Everything else is called over reach
     
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    I am afraid government operates at the state level as strongly as at the federal level.
    Overreach can be at any level.
     
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    IMO it is not an issue for democracy.
    It is a personal choice, not up for majority decision.
    in the same way that democracy does not décide which place of worship you attend.
    Or which race of person you marry or who you can go to bed with.
     
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    Why should either level of government have a say over such a thing? That’s just as bad as a government telling you what religion you are allowed to belong to, or dictating where you have to live. There is no room for government in such decisions.
     
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    Abortion effects more than the person wanting the abortion, it's a society matter. One glaring effect is people suffering from protests. Since 1967 in the US, one sixth of the population has disappeared. Abortions are also linked to family breakdowns, and they often effect siblings. There are many support groups to help those after abortion. Hospitals and clinics should be there to provide medical help and support for ailments etc.. An ectopic pregnancy is life threatening to the woman and she receives medical help, so that would be the removal of the fertilised egg. A normal pregnancy is not an ailment.
     
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    The problem with your opinion is you don't see abortions as murder. You have desensitized yourself to seeing babies in a mother's womb as just an object and not a living human being that occurred during the miracle of conception. In this country we have laws against murder and because of this it should not be determined by unelected officials but by the citizens of this country through a democratic process. No one should be forced to pay for another human being to be murdered and this also includes the death penalty but the death penalty is determined by each state through the democratic process as it should be.
     
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    No none has the right to privacy when it comes murdering another human being. When you start to look at the unborn child as a living human being you might see things differently. Your comparisons are ridiculous. Being a Christian does not compare to murdering a baby. But this is your obscured view which is totally void of reality. You could have used the death penalty but I would say you are correct and the death penalty should be illegal but the death penalty is decided by a democratic process.
     
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    Some people see an individual human life as sm
    We are talking about unb
    You are wrong. States have always decided morality laws. Allowing people to walk around nude is a local and state issue. Sexual consent age is a state issue.. Even before this abortion ruling, laws dictated whether a woman could choose to abort her child...one state designating up to 26 months and another designating full 9 month gestation. Our Supreme Court rulings are constitution based and many people who could care less about the constitution are upset.
     
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    I hate it when I start and stop and forget and post.. Too late to edit.
     
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    just because states have always done it does not make it right. Slavery had always been common until it was stopped.
    The constitution is great in many ways, but if it is used to violate one’s authority over one’s own body, that needs to be put in check.
     
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    Nudity is a cultural thing. Laws against nudity have been held unConstitutional by many State courts for several years now, People just don't WANT to walk about naked.
     
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    America has been back in the Dark Ages way before this court decision.
     
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    I suggest that it is you who see an unborn child as a sentient human being.
    Tell you what. Since those states which outlaw abortion are so keen to protect life that the mother doesn't want, the citizens of that state, having voted democratically to save that life, should adopt that child, feed it, clothe it, educate it, teach it how to love life and shoot guns that take other lives away , and throw à huge party when that child marries where the entire state is invited.
    Why should the mother who didn't want the child have to give up her life when the state which wanted it, forget she exists and offers little or no support for either of them?
     
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    Who said anything about equality? I'm talking about basic constitutional rights.

    Does the 4th Amendment not apply to all of us? If they can strip a woman of her right to privacy, who's next? Will they start requiring men to register their sperm count? Will vasectomies be banned? Those are potential human lives, too, aren't they? Perhaps they'll combine men's sperm count with the number of times they masterbate, adding up the total of potential wasted into a kleenex.
     
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    The people should definitely not decide whether or not the 4th Amendment applies to women. No one should, but that's what this conservative, activist, agenda-driven SCOTUS has done.
     
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    And why is that? Why does government get to invade our medical records?
     
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    I don't respond to hyperbole. Get back to me when you want to honestly discuss the subject.
     

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