Why is Bret Baier still a host on Fox News?

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You say while defending a man who tried to erase the votes of 5 entire ****ing states, circumvent the EC, and have himself installed as an unelected autocrat. By your own measure, Trump is the LEAST conservative president we've EVER had. Bar none.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    They weren't "concerned about democracy." They wanted to destroy democracy based on some of the dumbest conspiracy theories to hit the stage since flat earthers, Holocaust deniers, and birtherism.

    And Baier isn't "suppressing" anyone. That argument is almost as dumb as the argument that the election was stolen. Almost.
     
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    Why are neocons in lockstep with progressives? Answer: Both are authoritarian and neither want views and thought to differ from their point of view.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    And neither are as authoritarian as Trump or his followers.
     
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    The last one, the 2020, was the first in the history of the US pandemic rules election in which all sorts of measures were allowed which couldn't allow any verification of said votes. I guess, to some, democracy is important. Many Americans who foolishly claimed the 2020 was the most secure election in the history of elections in the US don't care about democracy.
     
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    Seeing as you don't know the meaning of authoritarian (or try to change the definition for whatever reason), you're wrong when you mention Trump is authoritarian.

    Did Trump intervene during the Charlottesville riots? An authoritarian would. Did Trump allow the Trump campaign investigation? An authoritarian wouldn't. Did Trump allow the 2 impeachments against him? An authoritarian wouldn't.

    Was Trump concerned the 2020 wasn't a free and fair election? An authoritarian wouldn't care if the 2020 election was free and fair.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    We had a ton of verification, NO rational objections, and the Trump path of trying to erase millions of votes is far more authoritarian than ANYTHING we've seen from any other modern President
     
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    This post is a perfect example of gas lighting! Scores a Ten!
     
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    A neocon is a person who considers themselves conservative when they're the opposite of conservative.
    A neocon is highly authoritarian (just like a progressive). A neocon is greatly right winged.

    A neocon hates Trump because Trump's ideas don't match a neocon's ideas.
     
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    Your post is misinformation. Trump was attempting to ensure states' elections were democratic which no one verified.

    Trump was concerned about free and fair elections while those who opposed (hate) Trump relied on state Attorney Generals and state and county precinct officials to verify their elections when there was no way state Attorney Generals or state and county precinct officials could verify their elections due to pandemic rules.
     
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    A neocon is an authoritarian. An authoritarian despises and tries to prevent speech and thought which disagrees with the authoritarian's speech and thought.
     
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    I like Bret Baier. And people should be critical of Jan 6th. It was a disgrace. I don’t think Trump caused it but I would not be proud of that date none the less. I also don’t understand why people hate Cheney. What did she do other than opposing Trump? Why is it you hate her?
     
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    Well, it stands to reason since Baier is a neocon and an authoritarian Baier bows to authoritarian thinking which agrees with his authoritarian thinking.

    BTW, I'd hate to have to be in the same room with a progressive authoritarian and a neocon authoritarian when they disagree on something.
     
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    You're not proud of democracy?? Jan. 6 was quintessentially a democratic event because an election was held and people didn't think the election result represented the people and the rioters reacted.

    Besides, no one has ever proven the 2020 was a free and fair election. As a matter of fact, the Jan. 6 investigation is preventing an investigation into the 2020 election and the Jan.6 investigation, IMO, is an obstruction of justice of the investigation into the 2020 election. What I mean is congresscritters are concentrating on Jan. 6, for example, instead of concentrating on if the 2020 was free and fair.
     
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    Illegally reacted
     
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    Faux news seems to be uncorking its collective head from trump’s ass these days.
    Repubs and conservatives are abandoning the trump party.
    Better late than never, eh?
     
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    The Jan. 6 riot was a democratic event.
     
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    yeah, just ask Stormy how Trump supporter her speaking about what she knew about our President

    Trump as President, took away Stormy's 1st Amendment right to talk about her President
     
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    Yes, the pandemic put a monkey in the wrench when it came to voting, which is why mail-in/absentee ballots were so prominent. People just didn't want to stand in line for the chance of catching the virus, among other things.

    Personally, I think most Americans take Democracy and our form of government for granted, along with the freedoms we have, the ease in which we can find things in the store through the internet, and so forth. We have first-world problems yet complain a lot like a third-world country.
     
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    A NeoCon is someone who is a conservative in some areas but not in others. Their predominant trait is neoconservatives support free markets and free trade but are unwilling to support drastic changes to social issues such as abortion bans or gay marriage bans. Neocon's other trait is that they support a strong military to the point that they are willing to go to war first before any serious negotiations can be achieved. This is what happened in Iraq. Personally, I think Bush Jr was too quick to invade Iraq and not allow the UN Weapons Inspectors enough time to do their job. Maybe a year or two, like 2005 would have been more appropriate. After all, we were close in 2003 of capturing Bin Laden until we pulled those troops and sent them to Iraq.
     
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    They knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Every respectable resource was saying as much, It was all about taking out their personal enemy - Saddam. Like Junior said, "he tried to kill my dad".

    The Iraq war was personal for the Bush family. That is why thousands of Americans died.

    But trump has killed more like 100,000 Americans so in retrospect Bush wasn't so bad.
     
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    Different sides defined the term "WMDs."

    How the Bush Administration defined WMDs included the necessary knowledge and paperwork to make WMDs either in Iraq or abroad. And if you look at ArmsControl.org website about WMDs, there were still question marks, gaps, that have not been verified. It is why I wanted weapons inspectors to be there for at least two years before, and I do mean before, we had to invade.

    If you look at the history, in the beginning, it was the UNSC vs Iraq after the First Gulf War. By 1995, the UNSC was divided on Iraq. There were two logical choices, discontinue the weapon inspections without fully resolving the WMD issues, or invade. I think invading was the ultimate choice, but the question is when. That is why I think Bush Jr rushed into Iraq too quickly.

    If that were to happen, then France and Germany might have changed their minds.

    Also, when it came to Iraq, there was a lot of politics on both sides. If Saddam Hussein stated that he had WMDs, I don't think it would have changed people's minds about invading or not. And hence that is the problem. Everyone was politicking for their side so that the side they disagreed the most does not have their way.
     
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    I haven't watch Baier, so I'm wondering how he is suppressing speech.
     
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    Objective truth says otherwise.

    Again, words that could only be typed by someone who refuses to do even the most basic of research. You are defending the most authoritarian President in modern history and his attempts to overthrow democracy.
     
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    Trump tried to overturn millions of votes . . . to erase ENTIRELY the votes of SEVERAL ****ING STATES. He never gave two shits about the elections being free and fair. He only cared about winning, and he was willing to overthrow democracy to make that a reality. So, yeah, if you are going to continue defending those actions, you are far, far more authoritarian than any of the leftists or neocons you pretend to criticize.
     

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