Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago

I had a security clearance, a close friend had a top secret for 20 yrs. I don't need an internet poster to explain what I had to do for 25 yrs. I was also an iaso for a classified area.

 

Not to suggest in the least, that it is for anyone to decide, who you should trust, other than yourself, but-- if you don't mind my making an observation or two?

For certain information-- the number of new jobs, added in our economy, or its rate of growth/retraction, or the rate of inflation, for example-- though these numbers are customarily revised (but done so, in a timely way), there is still no more accurate source, than the government, for this information. I think that applies to other things, beside economic indicators, as well, even if government statements cannot be assumed to be 100% correct.

My second observation, is that if you are trusting friends, neighbors, and online posters for information that is beyond their immediate ken-- that is, if you are taking their word about things they see, as anything more than anecdotal stories, specific to their own sphere of knowledge-- then you are really taking the opinion of whatever sources they had gotten their information from. So, your accepting that info, w/out knowing its original source, would seem to be a less careful way, to weed out misinformation. While I know you base this on your own assessment of their accuracy-- if you are using information from pundits, commentators, and private sources, to verify the information previously given to you, by those same sources, there would appear to be a substantial conflict, in identifying when those sources had misled you (unless they admit to doing so, which I am going to guess is a rather rare occurrence). This is why getting news from a genuine variety of reputable sources-- that is, not all with similar perspectives-- is always the most recommendable course, for ascertaining the most reliable information. This practice, though, I will admit, most of us could probably improve at-- with myself, as no exception.

 

On a scale of 1 to 10 it was a 9. But it doesn't have to have been hacked to have been a violation of the law.

 

And it remains true every time.

 

So I take you agree with the raid of trumps house?

 

Me>> Tell me if the Secret Service hears shots in the Biden's bedroom and they rush in and find Biden standing over the dead body of Jill gun in hand do you think he would get away with murder because he is a sitting President? What do you think would happen?

What depends on the AG? You are making the claim that Trump was not indicted by Mueller because a sitting President cannot be charged or prosecuted for a crime.. That's YOUR whole excuse here.

So again if the Secret Service hears shots in the Biden's bedroom and they rush in and find Biden standing over the dead body of Jill gun in hand do you think he would get away with murder because he is a sitting President? What do you think would happen?

 

I did not ask you to believe me. I cited authority.

Of course, every government bureaucrat is required to follow the procedures required by the POTUS. The POTUS is not a subordinate.
Surely you understand the difference. The SCOTUS certainly understands the difference.

"The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."
POLITIFACT, James Risch stated on May 15, 2017 in remarks to reporters:

"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time ***without any process***.”

MOSTLY TRUE

• NATIONAL LEGAL ISSUES MILITARY TRANSPARENCY JAMES RISCH” (emphasis mine)

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

No, that’s Barr’s excuse, not mine

 

Depending on JB's explanation the AG might want to indict and then hold off on the trial until after the next election.

 

Why? The docs were stored in a secure location where as President he conducted national security briefings and meetings, the could have used a less intrustive mode they knew exactly what they were and where they were being kept.

Hillary may as well have been using a public access point on the cloud, the first three months without even basic encryption. And she lied about it and tried to destroy the evidence by bleaching the servers and destroying phones and thumb drives. But hey go ahead an investigate Trump but lets have equal application of the law and equal process like perhaps give it all back to his attorney's and THEY will go through them and decide what the NARA and FBI get. How about that? No interviews under oath. No investigation as to intent or better yet since Comey stated that no prosecutor would ever prosecute such a case even one as prima facie and Clinton's what's the point.

 

Reporting says they lied about giving it all back
Says they were moving docs to other boxes and other rooms
Youre just regurgitating trumps BS excuses even as all evidence says they’re BS
Why?

 

Then why the need for a signature from Trumps Lawyers that there were no more documents. Was there no signature from Federal authorities attesting to the same? Somebody is sandbagging.

 

Once again yardmeat reads minds! More ignorance "misguided hero worship" lol, I don't like Trump have said over and over I don't want him running nor would I vote for him. I think the lefty AG completely f'ed up and gave him a new life. You've predicted crimes by Trump over and over, why hide from that??? Look your simply wrong here. Obama's personal records are housed in Illinois not Maryland. The President's staff, files personal and PRA thing and are the in charge of that. Anything that is generated from the Whitehouse is generally considered classified. Yes, if you're talking about whiskey it's not classified but everything the President says about policy, countries, upcoming schedule, discussion about gifts on and on are classified, including his personal things he filed as PERSONAL WITH NARA.

"The Presidential Records Act gives records management authority for incumbent Presidential records to the President, and states that personal records should be kept separate upon their creation or receipt from the Presidential record files [44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)] Since the President has the discretion to determine what is personal material, this determination should be made during the incumbent’s term of office rather than after the records are transferred to NARA."

 

No that was the excuse you used, the Mueller canard, don't put your words into Barr's mouth

Try address the points about the issue I raise.

What depends on the AG? You are making the claim that Trump was not indicted by Mueller because a sitting President cannot be charged or prosecuted for a crime.. That's YOUR whole excuse here.

So again if the Secret Service hears shots in the Biden's bedroom and they rush in and find Biden standing over the dead body of Jill gun in hand do you think he would get away with murder because he is a sitting President?

What do you think would happen?

Since you won't answer I will tell you. An arrest by the AG, a very quick probably same day impeachment and removal followed by an indictment of the now former President. The same as when Clinton had 11 felony charges brought against him by the OIC. The referral went to Congress and they started impeachment and removal.

 

Have you seen a copy of that letter? I haven't and can't find one. I don't know exactly what she was attesting to. Was it in the entire compound, was it just in the boxes in the storage room? And we still don't know exactly where these 11 sets of documents were even found in the compound.

 

Not sure what you don’t get. Different AGs do things different.

 

The biggest question I have is the GSA packed and filed the NARA Personal stuff. How or why did it get sent to Mara logo? NARA is the custodian, and it can't be released even to the new President for 5 years unless Trump authorizes. He could also put a 12 year off limits request in, like Obama did. No chance in hell the GSA would send to trump without approval from Nara after Jan 6th.

 

Quote me.

His PERSONAL records are his own, unless he decides to turn them over. His OFFICIAL records are housed in Chicago (in cases of non-classified) and DC (classified). I provided the link you asked for for that. You've proven you didn't read it.

They are in charge of handing it over. But they are required to hand it over.

You've been inconsistent about this claim. Make up your mind.

If it is classified, it isn't personal. It's official.

See! You can read a paragraph! No read the one I provided you.

 

You keep repeating that like it means anything in this context.

Let's assume you are right that the president can declassify anything without any process. Maybe he points at a stack of documents and says they're declassified. OK. He has done that without any process. Just a declaration.

But that doesn't mean there is no process AFTER the declassification. At that point, the bureaucracy springs into action and gives effect to his order to declassify. So they would need to change the markings etc.

Even if he can skip all processes leading up to declassification, there is still a post-declassification process that needs to be followed in order to give effect to his order.

That doesn't seem to have been done, so they weren't declassified.

 

That's why I say that Trump cold have brushed his hands of the matter a long time ago by simply giving them everything that was theirs and not his. None of this makes sense to me.

 

Then I suggest you defend him at court.

 

1. Have you found a statute or regulation that requires the POTUS to follow any procedure after declassifying documents?
2. Would such a law, regulation or EO, if it exists, be Constitutional?

 

Given the history of his hiring decisions I suspect he would rather choose you to represent him.

 

Didn't realize you have a reading issue. You were quoted in the very first line of my post, where you so brilliantly claimed I had "misguided hero worship" concerning Trump.

The rest of your post is simply agreeing with my positions or false claims like "If it is classified, it isn't personal. It's official"., the premise is beyond silly. If a foreign leader sent Obama a nice note, it's classified, he doesn't have to declassify it to keep it. If he wants to make it public he would though. i'll agree to disagree, getting too much in the wacko weeds at this point.

 

Hell, I think he needs to be charged before needing representation.