Russia’s novel use of Iranian drones in Ukraine serves as classroom for Western militaries

...is that right....well who'd of thought it....oh dear...how sad.....

 

Say it then!

Don't be shy.

 

iknow about apartheid therefore
Iknow what a real terrorist is, clearly you've got no idea what youre talking about.

 

excellent...that must make you so pleased....

 

Pity not pleased. Pity in the whitewashing of history and how the terrorists try to label the ppl they've oppressed as terrorists

 

Facts, our Putinists don't want you to know.

 

yes...really really really nasty....h'wwible t'wwable....Paddington Bear hard stares all round

 

You undermine all the real victims of terrorism, like the Manchester arena bombing, by labelling Russians as terrorists. You're better than that.

 

...no I used the term "war crimes" not terrorism...

 

I'm glad you're now backtracking, let's not fall for zelensky traps now.

You called them terrorist states.

 

....did I...okay....I can't remember you'll have to show me....

 

Collection of Undesirable National Terrorist

 

Exactly what the ruscists are doing with the Ukrainians. Did you think by getting ahead of it and accusing others of doing it first, we would not notice?

 

........oh yeah....you missed out the word States....did you work out the acronym.....

 

I'm sure the victims families of the Christchurch mosque shootings and the victims families of the Charleston Church shootings won't be impressed with you belittling and laughing about terrorism.

 

.....I'll sub them a brew then....

 

It may not be a mistake. This is the same country that just defeated the US in the Iraq War (supplied the weapons, terrorists, funded/tralned/operated militias, and ultimately achieved the political aim of influence in Baghdad while denying the US such).

Biden has said repeatedly that we will assist Ukraine with whatever for whenever. Sending swarms of these drones, and possibly even personnel, is Iran openly defying Biden. The US response to such assistance to Russia will have massive political consequences, because its primary strategy is to isolate Russia. Well if Iran can do this to assist, then how is there any deterrence for other nations to defy, by simply buying gas, or selling something to Russia? And if the US does nothing to a country deciding to insert themselves into the battlefield, it will show extreme weakness, and a limit to what the US will do to assist Ukraine.

 

On its face, reports about Iran sending instructors to train Russians in Crimea and now Belarus for use of Shaded-136 drones is absurd. The Shahed-136 is a very effective system, but it isn't complicated to operate at all. Ordinarily, the coordinates for its targets are set before their launch so they fly basically on auto-pilot. There are reports about the Russians replacing the guidance system in some of them to link them up with Russian satellites. If so, I don't see how Iranians could help with Russia piloting drones using Russian satellite. In fact, even the US government/White House, in their statement the other day, admitted the drones are piloted by the Russians. As for help setting up "launchers", the accusation appears equally nonsensical.

I admit I am not even sure what purpose such disinformation would serve? If anything, while its undeniable the Russian Geran 1 & 2 are at least carbon copies of Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones, the disinformation makes me less confident that the drones are being delivered by Iran. Iran could have easily helped Russia set up local assembly as Iran is reportedly doing elsewhere (Syria, Hezbollah/Lebanon. Yemen/Houthis, Iraq/PMU...). In that case, I take these reports to have twisted the facts beyond recognition, with possible Iranian technicians and personnel helping set up local assembly lines being represented as something else.

 

I agree, I meant Iran made the wrong choice siding like this with Russia, supplying weapons like that, yes they would make a formidable foe combined especially with China but how can they hold off against all their "costumers" in the West ? not for long, one of them will betray the rest.
Very bad decision by Iran

 

It's just phase one of the Western escalation toward Iran, I told you it was a mistake, to say Iran doesn't only supply weapons to the new "Hitler" but also "experts" means your "experts" are at risk becoming targets and not just to Israel this time, but I'm sure your leaders thought about that, they just don't think it can get any worse for them.

 

Well, at least, you recognize the kind of propaganda games and tactics Iran's enemies like to pursue...

 

The video footage below show direct hits by Shahed 136 drones against Ukrainian tanks etc.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1580817102478319616

But while Shahed 136 can obviously be used in theater in this manner, it is in some ways a waste of its capabilities since the done has a range between 1,000-2,500 km depending on its payload and typically carries a 40+kg warhead which is more than what you need for these battlefield attacks. Consequently, Iran has also developed much smaller drones with much much shorter range with much smaller warheads like the drones (Switchblades) that the US has delivered to Ukraine. These could be part of the package of drones to be delivered by Iran to Russia.
https://sundries.com.ua/en/iran-announced-its-own-analogue-of-the-switchblade-300-kamikaze-drone/
Iran Announced Its Own Analogue Of The Switchblade 300 Kamikaze Drone
It is called Meraj-521 and has a range of 5 km

 

I'm not sure it's propaganda, you are not posting your weapons here because you think Russia just found an abandoned Iranian warehouse with a 1000 drones........the first move on the game board was Iran's...when they chose to take a decisive side and deny they did, sure now the west follows the guide book of diplomatic escalation, but Europe is the least of Iran problems as it seems that Iran on route to become both houses (Rep and Demo) problem, that's like the the most frightening scenario to any authoritarian country in the world.
Actually its more than that, not just a problem but a pressing problem.

 

Iran has faced bipartisan and cross- Atlantic animosity for a long time. It is a country where comprehensive sanctions with extra-territorial reach have passed the US Senate with 99-0 votes. But if it makes any difference: Nancy Pelosi agrees with you.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/wor...ing-big-mistake-supplying-russia-with-drones/
US House Speaker Pelosi says Iran making 'big mistake' supplying Russia with drones

 

I think most first world militaries believe that and are in the process of getting there.