Russia’s novel use of Iranian drones in Ukraine serves as classroom for Western militaries

To my knowledge this should get severely neutered once the air systems are in place. Russia has done a ton of damage to the power grid in the meantime.

 

His targets are fairly obvious. Apartment buildings, bridges, playgrounds...don't lie, we can all see the footage. This is 2022. Everyone has a cell phone and Elon setting up starlink makes it impossible to not see. Much to the dismay of Putin and Dr Evil.

 

I guess I do not make a good Ukrainian since I hate garlic and am not a pork fan.

 

You are absolutely correct.

 

Idont even know if they eat garlic in Ukraine. France and Italy, it is the basis of their cuisine (Europe's Best cuisines by far)

 

According to Zelensky himself, 30% of Ukraine's power stations have been destroyed since the aerial campaign was started a little more than a week ago. That is an astounding admission of the effectiveness of the campaign and a clear fact about its target. Against that background, the collateral damage (though hugely regrettable regardless) has been remarkably limited, mostly involving buildings situated right next to clear energy sector targets.

 

"collateral damage" Dude...you don't get to say that when you are THE INVADING FORCE trying to conquer a soveriegn nation ffs.

Damn that's some backwards logic there.

"Oh damn we are so sorry we accidently bombed some playgrounds and bridges and apartment buildings while we are attempting to conquer you...please accept our apologies..."

Are you serious right now? Oh nevermind..."Iranian" sympathiser. Ya. That's a culture society I have high regards for. No wonder the logic is skewed.

"We wouldn't beat you if you just wore your damn hijab"

 

1. I have my own logic, which may or may not correspond to the logic of many other Iranians, but has as one of its core principles using actual facts (not sensational propaganda) to derive at my conclusions and which eschews generalizations about other people based on race, religion, nationality or gender. Our respective "logic" differs therefore in significant respect from its premises, to its guiding principles...
2. I used the term "collateral damage" because I felt it would be a term you would be quite familiar with...
3. The idea that Russia wishes to "conquer Ukraine" (as opposed to taking back portions of the country artificially ceded to Ukraine during Soviet times and which are predominately Russian/Russian speaking; and as opposed more importantly of trying to protect those majority Russian areas from what they had been through with NATO encouragement and support) is at best debatable and at worst out-right fictionand a lie. It is also belied by the terms the Russians have offered to end the conflict -- terms rejected by Ukraine (which until this aerial campaign) also rejected Russian ceasefire proposals...
4. Regardless of who is to blame for starting the conflict (and the many things that led to it, including a good bit of US meddling in far away places where it should not be meddling in the first place), once you are engaged in armed conflict, the object is to win ( if possible, without committing the litany of outrages committed by the US in the past, from the fire bombing of Dresden and the use of nukes against Nagasaki and Hiroshima, to the Mai Lai Massacre, to Abu Gharib, Guantanamo Bay and many more. Expressions of moral outage is particularly hypocritical from the US government and condemnation of being an aggressor, particularly unconvincing coming from anyone who has supported practically any of America's "endless wars.

 

1. And this is a flag as to what lense you chose to see the world.
2. I know what it means and I pointed out that in the grand scheme of this conflict just how ridiculous the idea of the term "collateral" is on what is very deliberate and aggressive actions.
3. Russia wants to conquer Ukraine. End point. Based on Putin's own words. When they talk about Russian language not being taught there. Or trading and closer ties with EU as insulting. Or how Putin sees himself as Peter the Great. The end result is for any land they can't take by force to be a Bellarus type of satelitte state that is eastward leaning and influenced. A dead end.
4. Russia is to blame. And your interpretations of Ukraine's long history of conflict with Russia is woeful. But none of that even matters. What matters here is that in 91, they voted and it was very evident that Ukraine wanted their soveriegnty back again. It was a very lopsided voting result. And since that time, Russia has been injecting the eastern region with militants to disrupt and destablize regions, attacking Ukranians and changing the landscape artificially. Russian ideology sees most of eastern Europe as rightfully theirs for all of history. That is corrupt and backwards/dangerous thinking.

Oh and you do not get to hand wave this off with "but America did it". One has nothing to do with the other.

 

The ancient Greeks were the originators of garlic sauce, and it is delicious. Garlic though is not used as much as in Greece as it is in Italy and Southern France. As for European cuisines, other than Greek which I've grown very fond of in my latter years, I'm very partial to Turkish cuisine - which by the way was always considered second to the French.

Today though it excels even more so. If you find a good Turkish restaurant, try the food. You'll be amazed.

 

Iran denies that it gave drones to Russia, as do the Russians. Why would the Russians, who are so advanced militarily and who have an endless supply of everything, need to buy drones from Iran? Certainly they're capable of producing everything they need themselves.

Seems like Western propaganda to accuse Iran for their own political expediency, as well as to denigrate Russia's capabilities. In the meantime, the one part of a drone found in Kiev did have a Russian signature.

 

1- The Russian denial wasn't much of a denial if you read what they actually said in response to questions about use of Iranian drones (after weeks of "no comments" on the subject):

"Russian equipment with Russian nomenclature is used," he said, according to the Reuters news agency. "All further questions should be directed to the Defence Ministry."

This is technically true: the drones are now Russian equipment and have been given Russian nomenclature.

2- The Iranian denial by the foreign ministry was more categorical (although in the official version left wiggle room, denying selling drones to be used against Ukraine) but even that has been revised now. More importantly, those denials are contradicted by statement from the commander of the IRGC, the newspaper whose editor is appointed by Iran's Supreme Leader, and implicitly by Iran's Supreme Leader just today.

3- The drones used against Ukraine clearly include ones which are of Iranian origin (Shahed-136 and Mohajer 6 et al). That is indisputable.

4- Your assumptions about Russian supplies and equipment are not well founded.

 

Unfortunately, civilian deaths are inevitable given that most NATO countries place key infrastructure right smack in the middle of residential areas, deliberately. Human shields.

 

100% Turkish cuisine has caught up with France and Italy now.

 

What part of "civilian casualties have been relatively low" are you having the most trouble understanding ?

Apartment buildings and playgrounds were not targets -- except to those lost in a maze of confusion ..

 

As of October

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/#:~:text=Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022&text=The Office of the United,Of them, 397 were children.

6000+ nearly 400 children. I guess they were Nazi ya?

Go away bot. Nobody is buying your bullshit. There was a reason the drones were sent during comutting hours.

Russia is the terrorist state here.
.know how many would have died if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine? 0. I could blame 0 of their deaths on Russia.

Simple. Math. **** Ukraine.


Oh wait. Let me guess. Statistica is Nazi?

 

Well this seems related...

House panel may remove Iran drone measure from NDAA

The House Ways and Means Committee may force senators to drop a push to sanction Iran over its drones program as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, two people familiar with the matter told NatSec Daily. The reason: an amendment that would place Iranian groups on a terrorism blacklist for using those drones to kill Americans, the individuals said.

 

Who is arguing with your Statistics ? call it 7000 Civilians if you wish.. Why you are running around crying "Nazi Nazi" I do not know.

Civilians get killed in war .. and this is a war .. you say 7000 is High .. crying "Intentionally targeting civilians" and cry out "Simple Math" .. as if your simple math shows some intentional targeting of civilians .

Was hundreds of thousands in the War in Iraq .. 10 times as many on an annualized basis .. so if this shows Putin intentionally targeting civilians .. you must have really wanted to see Bush in chains .. sent to the Haige .. sentenced to death for most obscene war crimes .. crimes against humanity..

"Real Simple" about the only thing you got right .. unintentionally .. Trump .. Biden .... way worse than your Idol Putinski.

 

Oh is that your deflection? "but...but America"? America dropped the bomb back on Japan twice, does that mean with your dipshit logic that Russia gets to?

"Hey bro, cut us some slack we gonna nuke Ukraine twice, k? Sokay! M'urica did it too 80 years ago!"

Civilians do not die in war if there is no war. All of these deaths are on Putin's hands.

 

I "understand" that a Muslim has difficulties condemning a Muslim country..
Instead of condemning the USA... don't you have anything against the sale of offensive weapons by Iran to Putin?

 

I expected more from you ...

 

You have your posters confused - my arguments against the Islamists are way better than your ability to defend that twisted ideology of death ... so save your Ad Hom fallacy for your Muslim Friends. You are one of those anti-Patriots .. one who runs around pretending to have respect for the founding principle .. but in reality are one who hates it .

How does Iran selling offensive weapons to Putin justify USA giving weapons to your beloved Islamic State ? LOOK LOOK -- what do we have here .. Who is the fellow in the room having difficulties condemning the Islamist State LOL

Do you not have anything against giving surface to air missiles (perfect for taking out civilian airliners) to Al Qaeda ? and how Priceless has this become .. you projecting your difficulties in condeming radical Islam and deep felt love of the ideology of death onto others.

 

About Russian desperation and garbage drones assembled in Iran from smuggled foreign components.

 

My parents were born in Ukraine so believe me I grew up having to eat food infested with smell and taste of garlic though not as bad as the French and Italians.

 

I like garlic. I am American and my family background is British (father was born in Scotland while my mother was an American of English ancestry) and we always ate garlic with our food. Years ago I briefly dated a Ukrainian chick and I remember she put sour cream on just about everything. Seriously, her Ukrainian friends all did the same thing too. They just loved sour cream.