Let's terminate the Constitution!!

You are right, that our views are similar, which is all the more reason why I wonder, that our two maths don't add up. If Biden's approval rating were at 35%, would you view him as a shoe-in, to win the Presidency? If not, why do you see Trump's MAGA 35% of Republicans, as an assurance of his winning the Republican nomination, unless Tucker turns against him?

 

In my opinion, Trump should know by now that the media, if given less than half a chance, will spin, fold and mutilate anything he says. This is what is happening right now.

Me? I like to be precise with my words. Trump should do the same.

Anyway, let's diagram the sentence under contention, okay?



If you simplify the sentence, you end up with this: Fraud allows for termination.

What Trump didn't include in his sentence is "by whom". Trump could have included, for example, "by those crooks" at the end of his sentence. Or, for example, "by me". He didn't do that and this opens the door for the media to make up their own "by whom".

On the other hand, Trump DID clearly identify who he considered the perpetrators of the fraud in the preceding sentence: "So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democratic Party,"

It stands to reason that THIS is his "by whom". It is quite unreasonable to imagine that Trump includes himself with that group.

Of course, it's not in the interest of the media to consider that preceding sentence. That's why they ignore it and take the other sentence out of context.

To summarize, this whole "Trump calls for termination of the Constitution" thing is a lie, but Trump could have prevented the ability for the media to lie by being more precise.

 

Please do be careful to not break anything whilst twisting yourself into a bavarian pretzel in order to justify Trump's words.

You are trying to defend the utterly indefensible.

You appear to me to be a very smart person.

Trump, on the other hand, is a barely functioning imbecile.

He's not worth defending. Fuggedaboudit.

 

Do you really consider basic grammar akin to a Bavarian pretzel?

In any case, I'm not defending Trump. If anything, I'm pointing out the dishonesty of the media.

 

You're the one engaging in fantasy pretending that Tulsa gabbard was not a Democrat who was endorsed by David Duke.

Sorry for your luck but those are actual facts

 

Sorry for the empty reply. I had some network issues.

I think the reason why our maths don't add up is I view the democrat base and the Trump base as being drastically different. I had to look up the current Biden approval rating, 41%. IMO if nothing else changes and Biden does run he would probably win because as an incumbent it is difficult to get primarried. Still I view Biden support as soft. He does not have the same level of hard core support that Trump has Democrats will vote for him because he champions their policies, he is a democrat and because he is not Trump. I know many people that voted for Biden but are not overly fond of him.

Trump's MAGA supporters are a different beast. Trump does not run espousing policies and change he runs on demonizing the other side. He calls democrats liars, cheaters, criminals, fake news, etc... He never gets into specifics it is just a vague accusation of guilt. It is about him and him alone. It is the only I can fix it mentality. Listen to the people at the rallies they are not their to support the republican party or policies, they are there to support him. This is why I think you cannot compare the supporters. He has this ride or die core that will be with him to the end and it makes it extremely hard for others to run against him.

I had a discussion with some friends about this. How would someone like DeSantis run against Trump? Is he going to get down into the mud and sling school yard nicknames with Trump? Their policies are similar. Is he going to call Trump weak on immigration? Is he going to say Trump's policies against China are wrong? Is he going to run as a globalist instead of America first. Is he going to call out Trump's election fraud claims when 80% of republicans believe fraud happened? Essentially he is Trump lite. He has experience as a governor and Trump has experience as a president. Was DeSantis as successful in the private life as Trump because you know Trump will hammer his failures repeatedly? Trump is essentially an incumbent and unless you go out there and tell the people why he did a bad job and how you are going to do it better it is hard to win. So IMO he could run but he is taking a risk. If he does not win over the base he risks losing them forever. Trump will belittle him like he did with Ted Cruz and he will mock him. If he runs and does not win his chances in 2028 greatly decrease. If he does win will Trump graciously accept defeat and pass the torch to him or will he claim election fraud and call him a cheater too? Can you imagine Trump manning DeSantis campaign phone lines like Cruz did? Trump may even run as a independent just out of spite because it is all about him.

 

What need to investigate? 45 brought no evidence TO investigate.

 

That’s pretty much what he said though.

He said it should be on the table

 

Not lies. Suspicions. And valid ones.

 

That's nonsense, the only explanation for tRaitor tRump's unrelenting attack on the 2020 election and our whole election system is he and his seditious cartel of traitors want to do away with 240 years of Government By The People and replace it with an autocracy of tRaitor tRump. I've been saying that since 1-6-21, and I'm not alone. Yesterday he admitted it.

 

You're reading into things that simply arent there...

 

so, who is not investigating? hannity? carlson? brietbart? o'keefe? the thousands of rw pundits and bloggers?

perhaps you should found a right wing news network and pay the investigative reporters to invent the facts you want to hear.

overall, seriously, there are hundreds of "conservative" operatives who are busily chasing mules on gps and staking out drop boxes. if there were any evidence of fraud it would be broadcast.

 

Why do we need equations and diagrams for this? I mean, its a good one, nicely done ...but it shouldn't be necessary. Trump's statement wasn't particularly complicated.

 

So true, MSM basically gave him a platform in 2015, 16.
Free advertisement.
Now they still give him a platform, sadly, but now, it's negative with all his questionable activities and legal issues.
The rooter has come home to roost.

 

trumps base won't leave him.
5th Ave, shooting and all
But a base can NOT win a general election. It requires moderates and especially independents to win a general.
Not far nonsense conspiracy theories.
It's slightly probable, if the crowd is big, he sneaks thru the primaries, I even doubt that, but never will he win another general.

 

Exactly, those who claim it hasn't been investigated is fooling themselves.
It was likely the most investigated issue in recent history.
And next to nothing came of it.

 

I agree for the most part. I was only speaking about the primaries. Trump would be very hard pressed to win a general unless the political climate changes.

 

What does that prove. And I know that's been addressed already.
So do you have proof of massive fraud or not. So far, not.

 

It has changed.
2022 midterms showed just now much.

 

No, “when you have eliminated all other possibilities, what’s left, no matter how unlikely, is the answer “, - Arthur Conan Doyal.

His desire to be king is the ONLY explanation for tRaitor tRump’s break with 240 years of tradition and his unrelenting attack on OUR CONSTITUTION.

 

I said suspicion, not proof. Of course I don't have proof. But no one has proof of Trump colluding with Russia either. Yet many people remain suspicious and demand he be locked up for it... Don't pretend like you don't understand how suspicion sans proof can yet exist.

 

You havn't eliminated any possibilities. You've just chosen the most extreme one and determined it to be a fact ...somehow.

 

As I said, I like to be precise. For example, I didn't include any equations in my post but I did include a diagram.

But it doesn't matter how complicated his statement is. What matters is the meaning along with the spin from the media. This is what I've shown you.

 

What the media has given Trump has never been positive, not even back in 2015 and 2016.

Have you forgotten one of the first things from the media after he announced his campaign?