Exclusive: US finalizing plans to send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine

No one cares what interests the Russians. They are the aggressors who brought great evil into the world.

 

How many casualties will result if he hits a city with this?



Does his weakness make him more or less likely to use it? And you know what? You don't get to make that decision for the United States, only Congress has the legitimate power to commit our nation to war, and we need a public congressional debate on what our goals are, what the risks are, and with the goals are worth the risks.

1/12th the power






Before and After.

 

Nothing that has been done or will be done commits the US to war. You are merely fearmongering.

 

You're missing the point: We came to a decision and decided to support them against the russkies until the russkies ****ed back off.
They haven't ****ed back off, hence we are MEETING our obligation, we have not currently finished.

 

Tell me how long it takes to fuel that bad boy up and I'll tell you.

 

You are telling me, with a straight face, that we are supplying them with all these weapons systems and providing no training on how to use them?

You are repeating the same lines that were repeated during our early involvement in Vietnam.

• 'May 1, 1950 — After the capture of Hainan Island from Chinese Nationalist forces by the Chinese People's Liberation Army, President Truman approves $10 million in military assistance for anti-communist efforts in Indochina. The Defense Attaché Office was established in Saigon in May 1950, a formal recognition of Viet Nam (vice French Indochina). This was the beginning of formal U.S. military personnel assignments in Viet Nam. U.S. Naval, Army and Air Force personnel established their respective attaches at this time.'

It's long past time for an open Congressional debate on what US interests are, whether our military supplies are the best way to achieve those goals, what are the risks/costs and do the American People support us assuming both.

 

...challenge...?? Anyone can challenge it but to be a viable alternative it has to a ...well...a viable alternative and with a sophisticated ecosystem to back it up

 

Fake News. YOU don't care. You do not speak for the American People, the US Congress does. You seem far less than confident that your point of view will carry the national debate, which doesn't speak well for it.

 

ACCORDING TO YOU. You speak for no one but yourself. You do not speak for Putin and you do not speak for the US. CONGRESS speaks for US in matters of war.

 

There has been a constant debate from the beginning. Congress has played its appropriate role.

 

Fear mongering and weakness on Putlerstans part.

You're forgetting that one cannot negotiate with this nutcase....negotiating means you give an inch....he'll try to take miles. Let him wave his nuclear dick around....he knows full well if he so much as tries to fuel one of his firecrackers....Mafiosi will glow in the dark 5000 yrs.

 

The US is not and will not be at war.

 

Time to fuel speaks to potential time to casualties, it does not speak to extent of casualties.

 

That was never an issue or a point of contention.

 

I would love a Congressional debate on this too. Something tells me we are not going to get it.

 

I vote of condemnation is easy. Now tell me how many nations outside Europe and the Anglosphere are sticking with the sanctions.

 

No...the point is people constantly bringing up the Budapest Memorandum as if it's mutual defense treaty. The Memorandum has nothing to do with any of our current actions now.

 

I hope you are right since our lifestyles depend on it.

 

Mike, I never said that the Budapest memorandum was a mutual defense agreement. This agreement failed to spell out what actions would need to be taken. Hence the agreement had no teeth to enforce compliance. That was a very serious mistake made by the newly independent Ukraine. Mike instead of constantly trying to tell other members here that they are “wrong” why not present your convincing others that you are correct.

 

International sanctions have been imposed against Russia and Crimea during the Russo-Ukrainian War by a large number of countries, including the United States, Canada, the European Union, and international organisations following the Russian annexation of Crimea, which began in late February 2014.

International sanctions during the Russo-Ukrainian War

 

That's the same claim that was made as we backed into the Vietnam war without Congressional debate.



You seem to fear an open Congressional debate like a vampire fears a silver stake. Why is that?

 

Bring it on. I doubt you will get much, but do your best. And this is nothing like Vietnam.

 

Killing a bunch of people in Russia after a Putin launches a City Buster will not bring the dead back to life. Since you are so good at running your mouth, I'm sure you all will be quite persuasive in an Open Congressional Debate, so, you probably shouldn't be so fearful of it.

It's long past time:

• What are we doing?
• Why?
• What are the goals?
• How will we know when we have achieved those goals?
• How do we guard against mission creep?
• What are the risks?
• Are military means the best option?
• What are the expected costs?
• Have the American People given their informed consent to pay those costs and assume those risk

Your clear panic of engaging that discussion indicates to me that you are wholly unprepared to convincingly demonstrate that any of these points have been contended with. That doesn't speak well for your position.

 

Pretty much everything in that post is factually incorrect or so far out of factua lcontext that it might as well be. A rare achievement.

Maybe spend a minute or two fact checking yourself next time (yeah, I know, never going to happen).

 

Amen to that. Unfortunately people who filter everything through hard wired and extreme political biases are basically incapable of understanding history properly. Since WW2 the US has deployed advisors to many nations. Vietnam is the only one that morphed into a full scale war, yet the ignorant grasp at the shiny object and ignore all the other cases where no war eventuated.