Germany set to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, Der Spiegel reports

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  1. bigfella

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    Fairly correct. The 'Western view' was that a communist Vietnam threatened to spread communism in the region. That was correct. Without direct communist Vietnamese intervention there is no way Laos & Cambodia would have become communist. It is possible that might have spread further, but during the course of the war communist insurgencies in Thailand and Malaysia were contained.

    Vietnam was never presented as a direct threat to the West, but part of an indirect threat via the spread of communism in a strategically vital area.

    As we have established before, you really shouldn't get into arguments about history. You aren't equipped for it.
     
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    America lost. Deal.
     
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    Oh, fine.
     
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    You never mentioned The Domino Theory in your rant.
     
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    Absurd silliness .. but also somewhat backwards / dyslexic kind of way... As is the Azov Nazi's who were treating the separatists poorly .. albeit not setting up concentration camps .. Plenty of killing in any case .. venting their anti semite frustrations out on another group ... one other than the Jews perhaps.. not going to get into the psychosis of extremist Nazi type

    "Did you get that" - Pit ? .. now don't have a fit .. when you hear about it ..

    Time for the meat grinder .. and its not pretty .. calling it Trench warfare .. both sides lined up close on opposite sides .. this is ground and pound time .. and unfortunately .. Russia has a 10-1 advantage in artillery .. Ukraine running out of bodies ... attrition rate higher than can get the teen lads through training and looks like its gonna get alot worse over the next month or two .. putting the young green Ukrainian Lads through the meat grinder ..

    You brought Hitler up ... throwing the kids into the meat grinder might be something Adolf would be fond of I guess ?! was that kind of the thought ? Pit ? ..
     
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    Update from Ukraine | Ukraine will have Military Jets 100% | Zelenskyi went to UK


    :) :applause:
     
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    Vietnam did invade Cambodia after we left there.
     
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    Sorry, I was in a hurry - too busy troll hunting. I'm happy to give a more nuanced explanation. :)
     
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    OK, so when I said this:

    I was talking about the sort of person who says this in response to my post:

    I didn't use the phrase 'domino theory' because I assumed any intelligent person would understand that:
    described the Domino theory. Yet you missed it. I'll put that down to English being your second language.

    I then went on to back up my observation with actual facts and reasonable assessments based on facts:

    So, getting back to your ignorant assertion, Western assessments were correct - communist North Vietnam was directly responsible for communism spreading in the region - to Laos & Cambodia. Dominoes did fall.

    Just stick to regurgitating Russian propaganda. You are better at that.
     
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    Vietnam invaded Cambodia before you arrived and effectively put the Khmer Rouge in power in Cambodia. The invasion after you left was a different matter and completely justified by attackd from Democratic Kampuchea on Vietnamese territory. It possibly saved millions of lives, though none of those would ahve been under threat if it had not put the Khmer Rouge in power originally.
     
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    The History Channel debunked your myth that America’s War in Vietnam stopped the spread of communism. Countries who did not go communism chose not to. We destroyed Vietnam with our WMD like the B52 and agent orange. Ho Chi Minh turned to Russia and China for help because no other countries would because they feared US sanctions against them. We left Vietnam the same way we left Afghanistan, more in debt, wasted American lives and lost the hearts and minds of the citizens. We just made more enemies. I served during the Vietnam War so you can shove your arrogance where the sun doesn’t shine!
     
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    Retaliation for not stopping America from entering their country? They picked the wrong ally just like Afghanistan and now Ukraine. We are not a dependable ally. We proved that in Vietnam.
     
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    Rubbish and smelly fecal matter produced by Russia. You should be ashamed to post such obvious lies.
     
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    B-52s and Agent Orange are NOT WMDs
     
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    TG they did.
     
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    Perhaps true. But as usual our cause is the just one.
     
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    Not me, Comrade Putin did this. He doesn't have to mention Hitler explicitly.
    It's enough if Pooteen behaves like Hitler.
    Although Hitler's a terrible loser, he's still a role model for many fascists today. :(
     
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    Are you seriously using the History Channel as a source? Dear God, the ignorance is astounding. Its like proudly proclaiming you read a Junior High School textbook once. Have you read anything on communism in Malaya/Malaysia? I have. Quite a bit. My nation was involved in fighting it. Do you know anything about the communist insurgency in Thailand? I do. You just saw a documentary on a channel that is a laughing stock among even the mildly informed.

    Those nations fought communism inside their borders, something made much easier because the nations who would otherwise support those movements were busy in Vietnam.

    I also note you ignored Vietnam's role in actually spreading communism to its neighbours. Guess the History Channel didn't cover that. Fair to assume you have never picked up a book on the subject. Just to repeat - the prediction that communist Vietnam would spread communism to its neighbours WAS CORRECT.

    ....and it just gets worse. Ho Chi Minh was a committed communist for pretty much his entire adult life. He spent years working as a Comintern agent (that means working to spread & support communism on behalf of Moscow) in China & other parts of Asia during the 20s & 30s. He looked to Russia & China for support because they were his ideological compatriots. He already worked for and worked with those communist organizations. He was ALWAYS going to look to them for support. In fact, the US got involved in Indochina in support of France partly BECAUSE Ho sought & obtained Chinese support. Facts are complex, aren't they. That is why some people avoid them.

    Congratulations on finally making an observation that is at least a bit accurate, though only a bit. The US did make a huge mess of the war in Vietnam and a lot of people died unnecessarily as a result. It is also true to say the sun rises in the east & sets in the west - I believe there is a History Channel documentary about this if you are interested.

    So now you are a Vietnam Vet comrade? Yeah, sure. Pity you haven't read an actual book on the topic since then. Maybe you wouldn't keep making a fool of yourself. The ignorant always call the informed 'arrogant'. Its easier than doing the work to inform yourself. All I have is a room full of books and several refereed & published articles on the Vietnam War, you have the History Channel. How could I possibly compete.

    Time for you to run along now. Moscow has new propaganda for you to distribute.
     
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    You genuinely don't have the first idea about any of this, do you? You are just making this all up. You know NOTHING about Cambodia or its history. It is actually embarrasing to read stuff like this. I would be too ashamed to post it.
     
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    It's nighttime in Kyiv. Here's what you need to know


    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky expressed gratitude for all of the support his country has received so far from the European Union at a summit held in Belgium on Thursday. During the meeting he also appealed for EU membership, called for more modern tanks and long-range missiles for Kyiv. Later Thursday, King Philippe of Belgium held an audience with Zelensky at the Royal Palace in Brussels.

    Here are more developments:

    Zelensky's Brussels visit. Speaking ahead of the special EU meeting in Brussels, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas proposed an EU procurement of weapons for Ukraine, which would be similar to EU’s vaccine procurement. Kallas said the move would speed up deliveries to Ukraine. The summit opened with European Parliament President Roberta Metsola, who emphasized the EU's support for Ukraine. Then, after meeting with Zelensky in Brussels, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said discussions about supplying Ukraine with Western fighter jets were taking place “behind closed doors,” and declined to make a strong indication either way on the potential for his country to send aircraft. Zoltan Kovacs, the Hungarian secretary of state for international communication, also met with Zelensky in Brussels. Kovacs said Hungary will continue to provide humanitarian and financial assistance to Ukraine.

    Battlefront updates. Russian forces have intensified their offensive efforts in the Luhansk region over the past week, with a slight increase in operations near Kupyansk and Lyman, according to the Ukrainian General Staff. Serhiy Hayday, head of the Luhansk region military administration, said Russia is on the offensive in the Luhansk region, though without “much success” so far. According to a new investigative report obtained exclusively by CNN, Iran appears to be modifying the attack drones that it’s providing to Russia so that the explosive warheads can inflict maximum damage on infrastructure targets inside Ukraine.

    Military supplies. Marek Magierowski, the Polish ambassador to the United States, voiced a sense of urgency Thursday to arm Ukraine for a new Russian offensive. Former Russian President and Deputy Chair of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev said Russia will increase production of main battle tanks in response to supplies of the advanced armored vehicles to Ukraine. Poland has offered to send military planes to Ukraine, provided other NATO allies do as well. The British defense secretary said Thursday that training Ukrainian pilots would likely be about improving “post-conflict” resiliency. German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall AG is in negotiations with Ukraine, with the view of exporting its state-of-the-art Panther battle tank to Kyiv, CEO Armin Papperger said in an interview Thursday. ​

    Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-9-23/index.html
     
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    Putin did what ? .. and why are you going on and on about Adolf .. were no Jew pogroms last I checked ... a Few Russian Sepaeratist pogroms over the years though by the Azov Nazi's .. Is that why you are talking Adolf ... and want Comrad Vlad to come to your emotional rescue .. and that of the Separatists ?

    "Hitlers a terrible loser" .. wow bro - glad you got the memo .. :cheerleader:

    "role model for many fascists today"
    - the Azov Nazi previously mentioned I suppose. :rock_slayer:
     
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    The only pogrom is the one by the naZis attempting to wipe out Ukrainian national identity, language and culture. One need only look at what they have been up to in the occupied territories, or at that little naZi pig who was waving the skull of a Ukrainian soldier around and declaring that ruZZia was at war with the idea of Ukrainian nationalism. They're genocidal, mass-murdering, land-grabbing fascists the same as the ones we collectively defeated 80 years ago.
     
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    Now what you talking about ... I wasn't the one that brought up Hitler .. and his admirers the Azov Battalion .. genocidal Fascists who murdered many a separatist .. did ya not get the memo ? Ain't no Jew Pogroms by beloved Vlad .. Biden though ... he got no problem shoving those young untrained lads into the meat grinder .. wiping out a generation .. sex trade going to be booming in Ukraine after this war done .. not that it wasn't something to boast of before .. having one of the lowest birthrates for a long time...

    but, now is time for what we call the "Ground and Pound" portion of the program --- the setting for totays play compared to trench warfare .. cept them Russians got a 10-1 artillery advantage .. not gonna be pretty.

    Zenenski and Vlad were working on terms .. and agreement prior to the invasion but Biden wanted war .. came in and messed things all up.

    The end is gonna be the same .. everyone knows it .. Russia gonna keep Crimia and land along black sea and up to the separatist region.. Ukraine gonna be lucky to keep at least a small corridor to the Black sea .. Odesa to Dneiper river. Best is to get used to it .. not feed more young teenagers into the meat-grinder .. Heard they lowered the age of consent to 16..
     
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    Pooteen is today's Adolf and Pooteen's Jews are the Ukrainians.
    He calls AZOV fighters Nazis to distract from his own Nazism. :(

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/02/world/putin-invasion-mistakes-hitler-blake-cec/index.html
     
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    Ukrainian drone grabs the radio of killed ruZZkie invader.

    ...it was then used to monitor the chatter of the vatniks for a few days.
    :D
     
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