Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

Why should I believe them? They side with my enemies.

 

No, I'm not.

Can't find anything objective yet.

 

@Melb_muser
That map was made in like the 1990's and was made up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah
The formation of the Kingdom of Judah is a subject of heavy debate among scholars, with a dispute emerging between biblical minimalists and biblical maximalists on this particular topic

At best, it wasn't independent. It was either Babylonian or Egyptian. The source says it was a tug of war between the 2.

 

Oh I'll help. lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

 

29 centuries ago then, ugh.

 

Who cares. Its not genocide. There are 5.9 million Palestinians living abroad. No one is calling for their extermination. Just flattening of Gaza. Easiest way to solve the problem. Prevent future conflicts in the future, ultimately saving more lives in the long run.

 

Agree, I said that in 2014 when Russia invaded the Crimea and sent spec ops which they called volunteers into the Donbas.

 

I would say you have no basis for that statement, at least as far as the Gaza border question, on which you'd challenged me, goes. That's because, in order to compare the standards applied, we need start with similar situations. But the Israeli- Palestinian Gaza situation, is pretty unique, AFAIK. But first, here were the situations, you had thought, made reasonable analogies:

The most obvious difference, to my mind, is that South Korea did not draw all of North Korea's borders, so that N. Korea was basically surrounded by the South. Same problem, with your other two pairs. A more apt analogy, would be a U.S. Native American Reservation-- if we surrounded that reservation with tall military fencing, and patrolled it with our army. Can you not recognize that?


To be specific about the borders of the Gaza Strip, for those who aren't familiar with them, it is indeed a thin "strip" of land, along the Mediterranean. About 41 km of its roughly 103 kilometers of border, are along the Sea coast. Both Israel & Egypt, enforce a naval blockade, along that maritime border:

<Google Snip>
Governed by Hamas since 2007, the enclave is under strict siege by Egypt and Israel, which also maintains an air and naval blockade on Gaza. It has been described by Human Rights Watch as the “world's largest open-air prison.”5 hours ago
https://www.cnn.com › middleeast
'Nowhere to go': Ordinary Palestinians live in fear as Israel retaliates against Hamas
<End Snip>


So, the inhabitants of Gaza have no freedom of movement themselves, or even full control over their imports and exports, by sea or air. By land, as well, all goods imported into Gaza, must first go through Israel (none are permitted to pass through the Egyptian border crossing). Of the remaining 62 km of Gaza's border, 51 km are with Israel, and only 11 km of it, and one border crossing, is with Egypt:

<Google Snip>
The smaller of the two Palestinian territories, it borders Egypt on the southwest for 11 km (6.8 mi) and Israel on the east and north along a 51 km (32 mi) border.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
<End Snip>

However, because Hamas is sponsored by Iran, the politics are such, that Egypt is not very receptive to traffic to and from Gaza, either. Not only are they leery themselves, of Iranian influence, but they do not want Hamas to undermine the Palestinian Authority, who they support, and which is in charge in the West Bank. When Gaza was first given as a site for Palestinian self-rule, the P.A. was the organization guaranteeing security.


<Google Snip>
When Hamas took over Gaza, Egypt and Israel largely closed their border crossings with Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah and PA forces had fled the Strip and were no longer able to provide security on the Palestinian side. Egypt was worried that Hamas control of Gaza would increase Iranian influence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
<End Snip>


So the residents of Gaza are effectively penned in, and blockaded-- mostly by Israel, with a little help from Egypt. Are the nations you'd mentioned, like Pakistan or Azerbaijan, in similar straits? The only one that comes even remotely close, would be North Korea-- however that is NOT South Korea's doing: it is because of international sanctions. And really, if it weren't for their own, repressive authoritarian government, N. Koreans would have less difficulty leaving their country, than do Palestinians in Gaza have, leaving their little strip of land.

Just to finish painting the picture of this small prison camp-- which is largely how it is being treated-- it is approximately twice the size of Washington, D.C., with three times the residents. Washington's population is 713 k people, while Gaza's is 2 million (and D.C. is not exactly, the "suburbs"):


<Google Snip>
How big is Gaza compared to a US state?

Although parts of the two areas consist of a series of autonomous, Palestinian-governed regions, Israel and Israeli forces surround them. The West Bank is approximately the size of Delaware, while Gaza (also called the Gaza Strip) is approximately twice the size of Washington, D.C.
https://www.prb.org › resources › t...
The West Bank and Gaza: A Population Profile | PRB
<End Snip>


So, in conclusion, there is no other border in the world, quite like the Gaza border. No other people, essentially surrounded by the same adversarial actor, which had drawn its borders. Therefore, I'd say there was no basis, for comparing this to other countries, and claiming "different standards."

 

Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-ye...d-gaza-airport-embodies-grounded-peace-hopes/

The second, smaller, airport, is in the area where the settlement of Gush Katif was before the disengagement from Gaza. It was never used by Palestinians.
https://www.world-airport-codes.com/palestinian-territory/gush-katif-2789.html

 

Just a snippet of time.

 

Yes, then of course the Romans conquered the lot in A.D.

 

There is a plethora of evidence to the contrary.

 

Netanyahu is like Voldemort, Y'all just can't seem to get rid of the guy. I suspect there must be some equivalent of Horcruxes that have to be destroyed first. It's seemingly a requirement of right leaning fascists that they are fortunately also incompetent.

 

So, you are saying that the second airport that you'd earlier referred to, is actually no longer part of Gaza. And the Arafat Airport, your snip did not say, was still operating; it concurs, however, with my not "reliable" Wikipedia source, on the Israeli bombing, in 2001, though does not mention the bulldozing, in 2002.

<Google Snip>
Why doesn't Gaza have an airport?

The facility opened on 24 November 1998, and all passenger flights ceased in February 2001, during the Second Intifada. Israel bombed the radar station and control tower on 4 December 2001 and bulldozers cut the runway on 10 January 2002, rendering the airport inoperable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Yasser Arafat International Airport - Wikipedia
<End Snip>


So I would surmise that your source is either very old, or is not as accurate as mine. I will add that, instead of specifying it was a radar station and control tower that were bombed, your snip had only mentioned "several of the buildings," making the damage sound a bit less vital. This appears, to me, like "spin." But if you don't think it is, why not just post an online schedule of flights, from Arafat International?

If, though, planes were flying in and out, it would seem odd that my other Google Snip would have specified that the Israeli & Egyptian blockade of Gaza, includes an air blockade-- wouldn't it?

<Google Snip>
Governed by Hamas since 2007, the enclave is under strict siege by Egypt and Israel, which also maintains an air and naval blockade on Gaza. It has been described by Human Rights Watch as the “world's largest open-air prison.”5 hours ago
https://www.cnn.com › middleeast
'Nowhere to go': Ordinary Palestinians live in fear as Israel retaliates against Hamas
<End Snip>

That source is CNN.

Is that still not as accurate as Times of Israel-- from which, again, your snip does not cite the airport's current status? In fact-- just going by your article's title: "DESTROYED Gaza Airport Embodies GROUNDED Peace Hopes-- I would guess that you are not going to find, anything in your article, saying that it's all fine & dandy, now. Doesn't that seem a reasonable conclusion?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-ye...d-gaza-airport-embodies-grounded-peace-hopes/

 

Of course he does.

No...the fences are put up by Israel, to keep OUT people they do not want in.

Well...no. There are two long-defunct (about 20 years) airports in Gaza.

They can't be used since one was neglected to the point of uselessness and the other was wrecked.

 

My original post, which is what you had answered, noted the preponderance of females, among the captured hostages (at least, in those pictures that had been shared). I had hoped that, to put it more bluntly than I had in my post, this was not for the reason that the captors planned on raping them. Hence, when you seemed to assure me, that it was merely a matter of it being easier to catch someone who was wearing heels (if you'll forgive the paraphrasing), I replied that this is what I had hoped, would be the only reason.

What the hell "insinuation" did you take, from that?

 

OK, Sport. FYI, though-- killing 2 million of all one ethnicity, would be considered a genocide, regardless of there still being millions of them, elsewhere. Hopefully, though, you'll never be in a position, in which it will be important for you to remember this.

 

Tucker called it. WWIII within a year.

 

Good .....

Adding something not mentioned is not "paraphrasing". It is "misquoting". But never mind ...

Good! Then we've got no problem.

I don't know what "hell" has to do with it. Why are you angry? Anyway, I thought you were insinuating that they were too cowardly to take on a real fight. Apparently, I was wrong. Are we cool now?

 

Iran helped plan devastating Hamas attack on Israel, gave green light last week after months of preparation: report
By Steve Janoski
Published Oct. 8, 2023, 6:34 p.m. ET

Iranian security officials helped the Palestinina terror group Hamas plan its Saturday sneak attack on Israel — and gave the final go-ahead at a meeting last Monday in Beirut, an explosive new report says.

Officers from Iran’s infamous Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had been working with the Gaza Strip-based terrorist organization since August to plan the Oct. 7 attack, which sent thousands of rockets and groups of armed gunmen over the fortified Israeli border, killing more than 700, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday.

... https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/iran-...-on-israel-gave-green-light-last-week-report/​

Sounds to me like Iran is at undeclared war with Israel here. Israel probably doesn't have the resources to fight Iran on its own, though. Hmm.

 

More info needed: FROM WSJ:

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

I'll go with official channels for now.

 

That's right. Fences are being "put up" by Israel INSIDE of Palestine in order to cut off the Palestinians who owned the land and the houses there.

The Zionists are effectively saying, "This is not yours anymore, it's mine". Jewish Nazis are doing exactly what German Nazis did leading up to and including the Holocaust.

 

Officials: Over 200 found dead at music festival site after Hamas attack


A description from a doctor of what the savages did to the Israeli festival-goers. They were mercilessly shooting everyone, simply out for blood and terror. They were apparently even using RPGs, not just rifles.

 

It's about time somebody gave the Palestinians a hand. Being attacked so often you eventually have to reciprocate.

 

You really have no experience with the military, do you? Urban warfare is nothing new. What you seem to miss is who is financing this war. That is Iran. Both Humas and Hezbollah have admitted that Iran paid for and helped plan this attack. So, what is the best way to stop the attack? Stop the funding. I am sure the NSA is working on that right now.

Humas militants got lucky. Israel ignored several intelligence slip ups by Humas. There were weapons found in shipments to Gaza, and chatter that was ignored. Israel was celebrating a holiday. So, most of their military was on leave. Leaving a skeleton crew to deal with the Humas invasion. That is why Humas has been so successful so far. But that success will not last. The big difference between this war, and those previously is an actual declaration of war. This is the first time since 1973, that Israel has declared war. This declaration removes some of the restraints that the Israeli IDF has had to operate under in the past. While it does not give the Israel a free reign to attack civilians indiscriminately, it does give the military to conduct operations to identify militants hiding within the civil population. Under a declaration of war, an attack on a civil structure (ie: apartment building) that is being used by militants becomes a lawful target. Without a declaration of war, the IDF would have to go apartment by apartment seeking out militants. But under a declaration of war the entire building can be leveled.

Advance technologies can be a clear advantage in urban warfare. Satellites, and drones equipped with thermal imagining can be used to identify where the hostages are being held. Helo insertions will allow the IDF special forces, (and yes, they do have them), to deploy in close proximity of the location. That way they can stage a rescue operation with little to no warning. I imagine that stage one of the IDF operations would be to liberate the areas of Israel territory occupied by Humas. This is being done with the currently on-duty IDF forces and local police. While this is going on, those active duty IDF that are currently on leave is being recalled, and reservists are being called up. This will take a few days. Additionally, current airstrikes on militant targets in Gaza and the West Bank are keeping down additional attacks. Also, I am sure that assets are being utilized in Gaza to locate the hostages. Once found, they will be liberated. As soon as the reservists call up is completed, the IDF will start moving into Gaza. They will go street to street and building to building to hunt out any Humas Militants and target the Humas leadership. It would be best if they were to take the leadership alive and hold them accountable is a court of law. Because these militants are not foreign fighters, and fall under Israel controlled areas, the Geneva Conventions call for War Tribunals does not apply. Therefore, Humas leadership can be tried in civilian courts. This is a fact as long as no other country sends forces into Israel in support government troops. Also, as long as Israel does not go after Hezbollah forces in Lebanon. As long as this war stays within the national boundaries and occupied territories of Israel, and no other outside military forces fight in support of Israeli forces, protocols I and II do not apply to this war. Once this war is over, Humas will cease to exist. If Hezbollah deescalates things on their end, they will probably not be invaded. Otherwise, they will suffer the same fate as Humas. It could end up with the PLA as being the only standing government for the Palestinians.