Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States?

I noticed.

By the way, I live in Virginia and you left out the part where our Republican governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general got elected.

Who controls the House of Representatives again?

Cherry picking - anybody can do it..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

this is no Cherry picking

 

OK, so the United States is good! Nice to know.

It's not something that will likely interest my any time soon.

IBID

You can stick a fork in Bernie; he''s done.

Which ARE ALL social programs not socialist programs. All of which are not "with us today" and over tRaitor tRump's dead body they are NOT expanding.

No the Slander from the right has accelerated over ... most of my life.

And the rich keep getting bigger tax cuts from tRumpublicans. It's not working out like you fear.

"I" didn't say it was. I said our social programs are to protect the working class from the failures of the elite class. "ALL" and "everyone" was never mentioned.

We should be working to fix that, not jerk the ladder out from under them.

Yep. I disagree about the hen-pecked man part, I've seen with my own eyes how brutal fathers can be. But, either way impoverished life, working from pay check to pay check shouldn't be part of the American dream. Any more that having a few extremely wealthy individuals that pay less tax than their house keepers; if you want to dredge up colloquialisms.

I really can't think that ANYONE would want that. But, I think there are a lot of very rich people that never give it a thought one way or another. And that isn't good either.

Part of the solution would be to legislate and tax more equitably.

What have you got, I'll talk about it.

OK.

 

Did you get a good laugh?
You'll have to try harder to beat the "authority" of Noam Chomsky. Moreover, he was not a senile old man when he uttered those words, so he knew what he was talking about.

 

No, now you're defining a conversation you jumped in the middle of to suit your paradigm.

I responded to this question:

I have underlined country to emphasize the actual topic.
To which I replied:

So, you see "we" were talking about countries.

I think that was part of the definition of success? Why yes, yes it was:
2. The gaining of fame or prosperity.

Are you saying North Korea is an economic failure? Kim sure spends a lot on toys; I hear nukes and rockets are a pretty expensive space to play in.

No I haven't.

Yeah, are you trying to defeat your argument?

Take a exquisitly made Automobile; it will run a long time before poor maintenance will cause it to fail. And consider a cheap auto that won't run nearly as long even with proper maintenance. They exist, they did their job of getting someone's ass from place to place and they made money for their manufacturer. I claim they are both a success. Do you disagree?

One more than the other maybe, depending on how you look at it, but they are successful.

No, you are being duplicitous.

Take your own advice ... It's your childish nonsense.

I was having an adult discussion with jcarlilesiu before you came along.

 

....and with Socialism being an economic system, what is meant when someone asks which Socialist countries are successful? They mean the economy. They do not mean have they been successful at ANYTHING. Similarly, if someone asks whether or not Biden or Trump are successful, they do not mean whether or not they successfully learned how to play the guitar. Clearly, they meant their presidency. Context is EVERYTHING. In the context of discussing the success of the economic system of Socialism, obviously they mean the economy.

Duh.

Now move along.

 

NO, YOU responded to the conversation I was having with jcarlilesiu; as I've shown.

So I advise you take your own advice.

DUH! Yourself.

 

LOL - No, I haven't watched it yet, Canell, and I don't have to try hard to beat the authority of Chomsky:

 

It's cherry picking.

Be sure to check out the swing states - enjoy!

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/



LOL

 

But you did say. Pay attention.

 

I don't know.

 

I didn't ask you to be a researcher. You made the statement multiple times that it has failed everywhere yet refuse to say where. It's an obvious dodge. You either know the answer, or you don't. I asked for you to back your statement.
Now a question is also if you know the difference between Socialism and Communism. It would appear not.

 

You didn't mention any regimes in the OP. You made a broad statement with no specifics.
Which is why you are now dodging with this post:

 

Farmers Co-Ops seem to work fine. Fire Departments seem to work. Social Security works (Congress screwed it up under Reagan), Medicare are other examples.

 

Because socialism is for takers and the number of takers in the US keeps rising.

 

Except that's not true. Where socialism does exist it's for A taker, and they do it by taking over ... everything ... the whole country ... everyone. Until tRaitor tRump I wouldn't have imagined it could happen in the U.S. Now it seems to be a "Clear and Present Danger".

 

You're confused. Trump isn't the socialist, Biden is.

 

No, President Biden is a Democrat.

But! Good point! TRaitor tRump probably isn't a "socialist", it would be too damn much work for him to worry about what kind of economic system we have. And anyway being a student of Mein Kamph, I think he would find fascism much easier; though he wouldn't understand that either. But then again all he really want's is total omniscient control like the Savior figure he is deserves.

 

Ok, I'll take a shot at all the flak I'm going to get.

I'm a socialist. My interest in socialism goes back over 50 years, so I have a bit of history of reading, explaining, meeting with other socialists, etc.

I read through about 3 pages in this thread out of ten. I just don't have the time of interest to read all ten pages. And what I found was the standard consistent ignorance of what socialism (and communism) is or would be, and it is all a pretty good reflection of the 70 or more years of anti-communist, anti-Marxist propaganda we've all been fed. Most here believe there was a country or two that had a socialist economy operating. Some thing socialism is a dictatorship with a "strongman" or authoritarian in charge of everything. That is strictly due to propaganda and lack of any real education, but that's what we get in a capitalist country. Similarly, too many believe Bernie Sanders is a socialist, but I see no real evidence for it. He's probably just a bit left of FDR but not against capitalism.

Ok, so why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the US? It's becoming popular because people sense that this system is not getting any better. Oh yeah, we have more "things" but the society is going the wrong way. Education in decline, climate change is becoming critical, wealth and income gap growing constantly, healthcare costs twice as much as it does in any other country and that includes those with outcomes superior to ours, there are more people in prison than any other country, homelessness seemingly unsolvable, corporate power taking over the last shreds of representative democracy, people actually going hungry is "the richest nation on earth". And though the short-term indicators seem to show that the economy is great and things are on the upswing, the long-term indicators show unmistakably that capitalism in the US is in crisis and we are in US capitalism's late stage.

The most important factor, I believe, is that people do not see improvement nor do they believe it is possible. Add to that the younger generation who has not experienced 70 or even 30 years of propaganda and you will get an increase in the interest in socialism. Add to that what those younger people see with Trump wanting to take us into authoritarianism with the Democrats failing to stop him from running again and you get some real interest in an alternative system organized and designed for the people instead of for persons.

(NOTE: If you don't fully understand what I meant by something I wrote, or you don't understand why I wrote what I did and believe it, you might try asking for elaboration rather than just insulting me and dismissing me. After all, 50 years of exposure and time to break through the propaganda. I can explain and justify anything I've written here.)

 

LOL!!!!!!!! BIDEN!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

I see you don't know what socialism is. Chalk it up to the years of propaganda you've received.

 

It isn't that much bullshit really. Most states' spending on higher ed has declined as a share of their respective budgets since you were in school. There seems to be a fair amount of correlation between the the states that have done that the most and the states whose residents will benefit the most from student loan "forgiveness". One could argue I suppose that is because states are being forced to spend more on health insurance programs so the money has to come from somewhere, for instance I suppose, but we really do a crappy job with higher education remaining affordable over time. As state subsides decline, schools have to rely on increased tuition to keep up and that increases the amount of money people need to borrow. This isn't really because people got so-called Woke degrees as people on the right like to say. It is true whether you are getting a degree in religion, business, agriculture, or lesbian studies.

 

I asked a question in the OP and provided two specific examples of socialism but did not limit the definition the term, the forms of socialism and the discussion involving socialism to those two examples.

As for excessive regulation, Google is at your fingertips. I'm under no obligation to spoon-feed information to the people who are too damned lazy, uninformed and perhaps dishonest to do their own research in order to discuss this subject in an informed and competent manner.

That goes for excessive regulations, as well. All you have to do is go to Google, type in "excessive regulations" and you'll find 154 million results. I literally found this one in seconds:

How Too Much Regulation Hurts America's Poor
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammi...gulation-hurts-americas-poor/?sh=1f053020271f

What next - tie people's shoelaces for them? Butter their toast? Chew their food for them?

Bullshit, I haven't dodged anything. I provided an answer to that idiotic question, but I guess it never occurred to you that the question is a dodge in itself by refusing to acknowledge the existence of the galaxy of socialist programs that exist in this country that are impossible to overlook, beginning with all the social welfare policies and programs that fell under the umbrella of the Great Society and War on Poverty programs that were passed during the Johnson administration in the mid-1960s. I mean, really, how the hell could anyone miss that? One has to be living in a clueless bubble cut off from the barrage of information we are bombarded with every day to be oblivious to those policies and programs, which I find hard to believe, or one knows about them and is full of **** denying that they exist, which is unbelievable in the face of all the existing facts and information, but believable in that some on the Left feel compelled to deny their existence. Politics is like war, the first casualty is the truth, and there's an example of that for you. Satisfied?

Now, while I've wasted all this time and bandwidth dealing with this BS, have you even bothered to answer the question posed in the OP, or have you been dodging that? That's all that interests me in this thread, along with people's thoughts surrounding their answers to the question, and there have been some very interesting and thought-provoking responses. What I'm not interested in is catering to lazy and dishonest people - they can carry their little games elsewhere and they won't be missed.

 

Unfortunately, History would support that contention.

I get the allure of "free" stuff, but I still find the willingness of some people to become dependent on government/taxpayers rather curious. Is this willingness, and the destigmatization of dependence, a product of decades of collectivist/LW/Democratic propaganda and conditioning? I have to believe it has at least contributed to that problem, and I still think Obama's encouragement of dependence on government was the worst amongst the many bad things about his presidency.

 

My Great Great Grandpa who immigrated from Norway to North Dakota was a socialist, and then, an active member of the Nonpartisan League (NPL).

Early 1920’s, NPL governed North Dakota, and they’re the ones who have established the state-owned Bank of North Dakota, and Co-operatized our agricultural sector/rural utilities.

Thus, historically, it is what it is, and as a state Republican, I prefer to say that we have a mixed economy that combines aspects of both capitalism and socialism, however, predominantly capitalist.

 

i don't believe in polls. i believe in election result. and so far election result don't look that great for GOP.

GOP lost 8 consecutive years – 20017,2018,2019,2020,2021,2022,2023 and 2024 , if GOP thinks they should run with same policy and same candidate.


GOP lost special election in 2017.
GOP lost Mid-term election in 2018.
GOP Lost Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2019
GOP Lost Presidential election in 2020.
GOP lost special election in 2021 and lost 2 Senate positions in GA.
GOP Lost anti-abortion law in KS AUG 2022.
GOP lost Senate and two GOV in mid-term 2022 election. Red wave became oh well.
GOP lost special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin , Liberal judge won state wide election .
GOP Lost special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023
GOP Lost Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2023
GOP lost banning abortion in Ohio in NOV 2023
GOP lost entire Virginia legislative branch in NOV 2023.
GOP lost special election in Feb 2024 in NY.