Should Women Who NEVER Want Children Remain Abstinent Forever?

It's not my opinion, you just proved my point. School, home, financial stable. Define financially stable now. You keep adding qualifiers to when the "right time" is. Just like I said in my previous post. People can find any small thing to say it's "not the right time". You may not gain ffinancial stability till your in your 40s. By then you won't be able to have kids. So obviously being "financially secure" isn't the right time either, b/c now you cant even have kids.

And as far as folks saying they wished they never had kids, that is just total and complete selfishness on their part.

 

Well, then don't regret having a kid.

People kill kids everyday. It's called abortions.

 

Then oh well? Do you have a problem with people not having children for their own reasons?

 

Once again, I have shown you that your "right time" is nothin more then empty rhetoric.

This was not a discussion about not having children, you were talking about the "right time" to have children. Never was it about NOT EVER having them.

So once again you are unable to discuss your stances any further.

 

Again, problem? I think you just don't like me.

 

That's the plan.

Abortions don't kill kids.

 

Logically and legally false.

 

I don't know you. But I have heard the terms you use a thousand times from adults who simply are to caught up in themselves and think having kids requires some sort of cookie cutter life where y you have to meet requirement A to get to B to get to C, etc, etc. They always convince themselves that "now is not the time". Well when is the right time? People today spend an entire life planning, but never actually go anywhere with it.

That is all I am saying. Folks waiting on some magical moment that never comes.

 

Oh I get it. They kill turtles or frogs don't they?

 

Or zygotes, or embryos, or fetuses. But that just brings us full circle back around to the good ol' dictionary definitions, rehashing the same arguments and stuff don't it?

Ah...gotta love the abortion debate. It just never ends! But I am in too good of a mood to let that get me down. Which is why I have such weird posts today, like the boob job thing, lol! Sorry.

 

Actually it does end. Go to your dictionary definitions and actually read them. Zygote, embryo, fetus are simply terms given to a particular stage of the human life cycle. There are other terms in that life cycle, you might have heard of them, newborn, toddler, adolescent, adult???

At no point anywhere along this human life cycle is any stage not human.

People such as yourself will go to great lengths to deny this and try and twist the terms to mean something non-human to try and bolster their very, very weak positions.

 

Is that supposed to have bearing here?

You're kidding yourself.

The difference is not nearly as stark as you imagine. People who regret having had children resent those children.

Do you also think Hitler should have gotten equal time in the American press?

People wishing their children dead being taboo.

Hateful people can't help the way they feel either, so what's your point?

Not when you're looking for support for your own rotten attitude, it isn't.

Don't you think children can sense it when their mothers resent them? And don't you think that leads some of them to become depressed?

I wouldn't characterize the sense of empowerment that comes from surrounding yourself with people who believe the same lies you do as recovery from depression.

 

Nah. I won't get into the whole it should be killed because it's not human argument. It's human, it's alive, it has human DNA, I mean hell, it ain't a dog in there!

But no human at any stage of life has a right to use a woman's body to sustain their life against her will. I believe women should have full medical self-determination over their bodies and especially their own uteruses, because their uteruses will always belong to them, they don't belong to the fetus, or her SO, or her parents, or you or me or society at large. It belonsg to no one but her. It is hers and she may do what she pleases with it in my opinion and that includes having it suctioned clean whenever she wants regardless of what is in it at the time.

 

Exactly!

Let's go discuss how we all hate our kids and wish we never had them. Such an uplifting, spiritual environment to be in. And if they are depressed, that means they are mentally deranged to some capacity, which might explain why they hate their kids.

Sick people, finding comfort among other sick people.

 

Assumptions are fun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

So was postpartum depression, but women started talking about it and it became socially acceptable to discuss and we learned something new because we talked about it instead of continuing to stifle people's voices on the subject.

My point is they should be allowed to talk about their feelings without people shunning them. The best way to get over or come to terms with one's feelings is to talk about it. Talking is the best kind of therapy imo.

Your opinion. *shrug*

Yes I think children can sense it. And you think it's better for parents who hate their children to continue to repress their feelings and emotions and allow their resentment to build? The best release is TALKING! Therapy is great! Talk about it, ask why you feel this way, find the underlying issues and solve the problem and come to terms with or recover from the bad feelings. etc.

Ok.

 

Wow. So you don't get into it, but in the 2nd paragraph you directly argue it. Utterly confused?

Look I can't argue emotional drivel against mother nature. I didn't create the uterus inside a woman, so I am incapable of arguing why it's that way.

And how did we get on this "against her will" stuff?

It's clear to me you have moved beyond the rational and gone into emotional mode.

I understand you can't come back with anything substantial to me, but going emotional makes it look even worse.

 

Talking and getting your feelings out on the table rather than stifling and suppressing them is worse?

Also I suppose NA meetings and AA meetings are a bad idea. Sick people finding comfort among other sick people! How horrible!

 

Well if you don't care about my opinions. *shrugs*

More assumptions too. Whoo! What an awesome day today!

Man they need a dance emote on here...

 

I could be wrong but having problems with alcohol is far different then wishing your kids were never born.

 

I could be wrong but regretting your children, but still loving them and wishing things had been different is far different than wishing your kids were dead.

But that's just me.

 

Again I ask, what sick person regrets their children????? Who?

 

"AA"? They have an aborters annonymous? Man that is great because once women find out what they really did when they had that abortion, they are going to need some emotional support!

 

See Pasithea's response. Those are the words intelligent adults use.

 

Lots of women do, especially when their children turn out to be thankless brats, or when they're in their old age and are lonely and their children never call or write. It sort of makes all those years spent raising children regretful.

How about this? What sick person thinks horrible thoughts about their child or has no connection or feeling for them right after they're born!? OMG! Oh wait...women with postpartum do! Weeeird!

Good thing people started talking about it so we could see lots of people had this problem and learned how to give the appropriate therapy to help them!

 

Hahahaha! Oh Whaler. That's a real knee-slapper right there. Imma give you a hug you're so cute. I mean it too!!