"Poverty in America"... mostly rhetoric

perhaps we have reached some common ground on taxes

 

Well, I saw a pretty good documentary that demonstrated that Vancouverites absolutely hate this. Just watching it you can see what sort of element that hast infsted east vancouver.

 

In 1960 we had a population of about 200 million. Of that 14% were "in poverty." That is 28 million people.
NOW, half a century and TRILLIONS of wasted dollars later, we have a population of 311 million. Of that 14.3% is "in poverty." That is 44.7 million people.

How much more obvious does it need to be to KNOW that existing laws will NOT cure the problem? Nor will any amount of money cure the problem.

The simple FACT that any rational person SHOULD be able to assimilate is that no society in the history of mankind has ever DENTED the "poverty problem."

The societies that have had the fewest people in poverty are the ones that did NOTHING about, or for the impoverished.

 

It is GOOD that we can agree on a little - Even as we disagree on much

Ea be the 'Common Ground' on which we all stand or fall

 

Actually one the better sources for factual data and accurate assessments of that data.

 

If you insist on formatting your post so they are difficult to read they will not be read.

 

Once again when they can't deal with the facts speciously attack the source.

 

You are very correct, mleonnig.

Especially when you say, "Now of course, this does not account for every individual, but it illustrates the point that claims of America's poverty are grossly, grossly overstated."

Bill Cosby has a lot to say about this very subject.
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My son was overseas when he said, "Dad, I know what you mean now when you say there's no poverty in the U.S. Poor here and poor there aren't even close to the same thing."

Some of us learn eventually. Some of us don't.

I was shocked when I learned I grew up homeless and never knew it. That's the U.S. for you.

 

Hopefully you will anesthetize yourself & put me on IGNORE
It is far easier to dissect a bug that is not wiggling & squirming

BullCrap !
The Heritage Foundation is affiliated with & acts as a front for Rev Sun Myung Moon
............................................................................... & his God Damed "moonies"


& take a look at the dates of charts used in the Article
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/01/understanding-poverty-in-america

2001, 1995, 1993, 2002, 1989, 1993, 1998

The Statistics are Ancient History
Statistics gathered way before the current ever growing Depression
& way before the massive Job Loss & Home Foreclosures being experienced today

Such is the veracity & validity of the Heritage Foundation
.................... & the Talking Heads who speak for them


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What in Hell is the matter with you people !

We are talking of Poverty in America, & its Causes & Costs to American Society

Is Poverty NOT Poverty because millions are NOT starving to death
Do you NOT think people who's jobs have dissappeared, & whos UI benefits have expired,
& who are now homeless, do not suffer because they are not rotting naked in a desert ?

What in Hell is the matter with you people !?


Will you not be satisfied until Poverty here matches the horror that is Somalia ?

As the current Economic Depression Deepens - You may get your wish

As for now you are IGNORANT of Poverty & its costs & causes

The Heritage Foundation - & the writing of Policy, Of, For, & By the Corporations

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How do you explain the much lower % of people living in poverty in countries like Ireland, Austria, France, and Switzerland? Also, Canada and Germany have lower poverty %'s than us.

All of these countries have more extensive social programs than us.

 

And it is unjust.

 

The same way that one explains why all those countries have more to far, far, more financial difficulties than the US. But perhaps there is no connection?

In reality,

Tradition, they are all steeped in tradition. Tradition doesn't even exist in the US.

EDUCATION, they DEMAND more from their students. Here our students run the schools while the teachers whine for more money.

Family unit, it still exists there its all but gone here.

Just those are enough to account for the small % differences. NOT government programs.

 

Which of those countries, except Ireland, is in more financial difficulty than the US?

Austria, France, Switizerland, Canada and Germany all have lower debt to GDP, lower defecits, and only France has a higher unemplyment rate (9.5% .4% more than yours big whoop!).

No one in their right mind, who has any knowledge of the Irish situation could argue our current difficulties are a result of social protection.

 

Pretty much. The funny thing (or maybe not so funny) is that both the PIIG countries and the U.S. got screwed by the same thing -- the big banks.

Yet, some people are insistent on blaming it all on welfare.

 

Why?

10char

 

Nonsense..

Meanwhile, look at various cost of living indexes.

You could be very comfortable in Sapulpa Oklahoma and starve in NYC.

 

I believe you are mistaken, ryanm34.

Check this out.

These discussions about Britain’s benefits culture were most eye-opening. It will not be long and the same objections against life-long entitlement programs will be voiced in both the United States and Ireland.

 

Tradition exists here, although it seems to usually manifest as prejudice against minorities.

So I can agree with you that, culturally, we've got some issues that don't help our situation.

 

I believe you are talking out of your arse. Please stop posting completely irrelevant and off topic articles

Post figures proving that the Austria, Germany, France, Canada and Switzerland are in a worse financial position than the US.

Or

Post a narrative of the last five years of the Irish crash giving a coherent explaination of how it is the fault of the welfare state.

And I will admit to being mistaken. ( I doubt very much you will try)

Otherwise I will be regretfully forced to conclude that you have no interest in intelligent or honest debate and merely intend to obfuscate the discussion.

 

Bill Cosby has a lot to say about this subject.

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Yes, the black community has issues as well.

 

Can you give a summary of what the the causes of problems were that caused the debt crisis in Ireland and elsewhere in Europe? It's tiring to hear Americans just say, "Oh, well they're 'socialist', so now they're collapsing!".

 

I do not feel qualified to give an explaination of the european debt crisis as a whole, I do not feel sufficiently informed on other european countries to comment on their difficulties in this respect. The Irish story is involved and from what little I do understand of other countries difficulties no two countries are particularly similar.

In this thread an explaination of the irish crash would be wildly off topic. It is a long and not particularly nice tale.

I will gather my thoughts on the subject of the Irish collapse and post a new thread on that topic tomorrow or sunday in the european section. If that would be amenable to you?