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Australia to levy carbon tax

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by Poor Debater, Oct 12, 2011.

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  1. bugalugs

    bugalugs Banned

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    Quoting Bolty!?!?! Wow! That's impressive!

    But why do you think Bolty knows more than virtually the world's entire scientific community?

    Don't you think that is just a bit silly?
     
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  2. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    dont go all wobbly at the knees bugs...just PROVE your claims or say sorry for all the lies.
     
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  3. bugalugs

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    Please forum, accept my apology.

    I wrote:
    The MAJORITY of Aussies voted for the parties which went to the last election (last 2 elections actually) with carbon pricing as their policy.

    Labor received 37.99% the primary vote and The Greens 11.76% of the primary vote. This 49.75% of the total primary vote...not quite a majority.
    http://results.aec.gov.au/15508/Website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-15508-NAT.htm

    Of course - add the votes for Windsor, Oakeshott and Wilkie who also supported carbon pricing and that of course that WOULD be a majority


    So - I should have said:
    The MAJORITY of Aussies voted for the parties or independant candidates which went to the last election (last 2 elections actually) with carbon pricing as their policy.

    Please accept my apology.

    The point is that the voters of Australia gave the government a mandate for carbon pricing. It was part of Labor policy. And that is what was is being delivered. The whining of deniers can be ignored.
     
    bugalugs, Oct 17, 2011
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  4. efjay

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    Labor said

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApCwoj35d3M"]Julia Gillard no carbon tax promise - YouTube[/ame]


    so please stop the LIES bugs.
     
    efjay, Oct 17, 2011
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    Sorry been there proved that - welcome to my ignore list
     
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    I feel sorry for Australia. This is going to cripple your competitiveness in the world economy.

    Carbon trading nations cannot compete with non-carbon trading ones.
     
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    Yes - she said a lot of silly things before the election. That is why she lost so many votes to the Greens.

    But the fact remains, carbon pricing was Labor policy, and:
    The MAJORITY of Aussies voted for the parties or independant candidates which went to the last election with carbon pricing as their policy.

    That is what the people of Australia voted for. That is what is being delivered.

    And all of the whining of Alan Jones' geriatric army won't change that.
     
    bugalugs, Oct 17, 2011
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    It has been modelled..not proven.
     
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    From the book of "Politics made reel simpel an eesy" comes - "just read the Herald Sun and repeat what they say ad nauseum"
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 17, 2011
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    yes it will..The tax will be repealed as soon as labor loose the next election.
     
    efjay, Oct 17, 2011
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    Why? Any reason for this bizarre claim!?!?

    I think you are confusing Australia with the USA. USA is the place with the crippled economy. Not us.
     
    bugalugs, Oct 17, 2011
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    it wont be for long so i hope the damage will be limited. The next PM has stated that he will repeal the tax.
     
    efjay, Oct 17, 2011
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  13. bugalugs

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    Ha ha ha ha !!!!

    Why?

    So that Tony can try to achieve EXACTLY the same emission reduction targets as Labor with his Great Big "Direct Action" Tax!?!?!

    Why is Tony's Tax better than the Labor one? Could you explain? No one else thinks it is.
     
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    By making our exporters pay a tax that their competitors wont you will cripple them..Gee bugs do you have ANY idea at all??????????
     
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    The (possible) next PM has EXACTLY the same emission reduction targets as the Government.

    But instead of using a market mechanism to get polluters to pay - he will take money off ALL taxpayers to pay the polluters!!!

    Why do you think this is a better plan efjay?

    Could you explain please?
     
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    Really...is that why the PUBLIC is in favour of the LIBS plan over the carbon tax.
    You keep saying that the libs plan is a "great big tax" PROVE that claim thanks..
     
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    LOL dont tell me you are deluded enough to think labor has a shot at the next election?????????????

    The libs direct action plan is by far a better way to go and is now favoured by the majority of aussies.
     
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    Oh look! Another stupid opinion with nothing to support it!!!



    The carbon price gives effect to a structural shift in the economy, from higher emission intensive to lower emission intensive, but overall is predicted to still grow at a rate only 0.1-0.2 per cent lower than the “business as usual” scenario.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/carbon-tax-wont-kill-the-economy-20110505-1e9ij.html#ixzz1b1mxOURL


    Please explain - how will this 0.2% impact on the economy affect exports more that the recent rise in the value of the $AUD?!?!? Don't you think it pales into insignificance to the fact our AUD$ is now worth more than a USD$?!?!?!

    Dontcha think?!?!?

    Or do you prefer to ignore that and continue parrotting Jonesy?
     
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    Why is taking money off taxpayers to pay polluters a better plan than using a market mechanism to get polluters to pay

    How is this "better"?

    Please explain
     
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    Hey bugs you still have not dealt with this
    Prove to us that man made agw is real ( dont cite computer modeling as that is only predictions not POOF)
    Please show proof the the carbon tax will drop the worlds temps by how many deg C ?
     
    efjay, Oct 17, 2011
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    Labors plan is to implement the worlds biggest carbon tax that we will ALL have to pay...A tax that juLIAR said this about [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApCwoj35d3M"]Julia Gillard no carbon tax promise - YouTube[/ame]

    and yet here we are getting a carbon tax...
     
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    Since you ask for proof you obviously have no scientific understanding science science doesn't deal in proof.
     
    Panzerkampfwagen, Oct 17, 2011
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    wanna try that again bud...
     
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    A Senior Shadow Cabinet Minister today admitted that under the Coalition’s Direct Action plan, taxpayers and not polluters will be required to pay to cut pollution.

    “Coalition’s policy is, rather than having polluters... you know, the industry pay those costs and passing them on to consumers, to have the cost of abatement paid for out of taxpayers’ dollars.”
    http://www.climatechange.gov.au/minister/greg-combet/2011/media-releases/March/mr20110325a.aspx

    MALCOLM Turnbull says Tony Abbott's direct action plan could cost taxpayers $18 billion a year by 2050
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...gain-liberal-mps/story-fn59niix-1226059726470



    The Coalition has committed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions by five per cent on 2000 levels by 2020. It proposes to achieve this target with a "Direct Action Plan": a competitive grant scheme that would buy greenhouse gas reductions from businesses and farmers. Over the past decade various Australian governments have announced more than seven billion dollars of competitive grant schemes. The Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) and the Grattan Institute have reviewed competitive grant schemes in Australia and found that they:
    • Take far longer to achieve their objectives than originally planned
    • Achieve much less than expected
    • Cost far more than was budgeted.

    https://www.tai.org.au/index.php?q=node/19&pubid=878&act=display


    TONY'S GREAT BIG TAX

    Why is this better than getting polluters to pay?

    Could you explain please?
     
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    He said:
    Since you ask for proof you obviously have no scientific understanding science science doesn't deal in proof.

    Do you understand this?

    Would you like me to explain?
     
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